Worry about the future of Estonian House in Toronto
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sandwich generation16 Sep 2013 17:04
I am in my 40s. I would like a new cultural centre in line with my interests and that of my children. I would like it built either on the existing property or nearby because of the close access to public transit. If condos could be bulit for empty nester babyboomers as part of the deal, then wonderful.

The people who want the old house to stay the way it is seem to be people in their 70s and 80s who, unfortunately, will not be around for long, yet want to dictate what I will have to deal with long after they are gone.

What happened to "Las noored teevad...?"
question17 Sep 2013 05:30
Isn't there some plan to build an addition to Tartu College to replace Eesti maja? Sounds good to me. Even more central than it is now, easier to administer 2 places than one, some other positives as well. When I heard there was such an idea I thought it was awesome. Apparently though, the stumbling block is getting the admins of both buildings to work together. A shame if that were to prevent such a logical idea from going forward. Anyhow, that's what a little birdie whispered in my ear ...
rahamees17 Sep 2013 09:34
Tartu College has its own problems. It is owned by the provincial government and it is not that easy to add commercial space like EM. It is easy to get to by transit, but not so easy by car. Current location is a good compromise.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: rahamees (09:20)
Peace! ... Please!14 Sep 2013 13:01
I hope that this doesn't turn into an ugly and immoral attack on a worthwhile institution like the one we saw at Ehatare.
After an employee lost her job (probably, for good reason) her friends launched a well-organised and energetic attack to get revenge. It looks as if it has fizzled out, but; for a while, it appeared to be destructive.
The problem turned on legal convention -- parties to a lawsuit remain silent until the matter is resolved. They did so, but; no one gagged the friends of the plaintiff.
They let loose with a slick campaign of slander and even some sabotage. For a while, they even gulled some people at Eesti Elu, giving rise to some yellow journalism. (The residents at Ehatare were ready to cancel their subscriptions, en masse.) And it broke my heart to see a respectable pastor fished into this shameful episode.
Ehatare will survive. Yet there is a rift in our community, made permanent by a gang of young people with no family connections to Ehatare, who will make no financial contribution to a new Ehatare, a new Eesti Maja or anything else. They will not even take out a subscription to Eesti Elu.
Never again will I applaud when "she" speaks in her hopelessly ungrammatical Estonian, or sings in her incomprehensibly accented French, convinced that she is a star, adored by all.
Ten years from today, people moving into Ehatare will speak better English than Estonian. Then, there will no longer be a need for an Ehatare, Eesti Maja, Eesti Elu or anything else Estonian, outside of Estonia. Until then, the gang should either make a contribution, or back off. These institutions were built with the hard-earned savings of new immigrants, now living in Ehatare.
Out of basic decency, please let them live out their lives in peace.
Rahu, ainult rahu17 Sep 2013 07:09
"... hopelessly ungrammatical Estonian ..."

Wow. That is indeed unforgiveable!

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to - rahu17 Sep 2013 08:11
If our young people, who express pride in their heritage, spent one hour per week reading Eesti Elu, they would be speaking tolerable Estonian within a year.
That's much less time than some of spent trying to destroy Ehatare.
rahu17 Sep 2013 08:41
Rather than nitpick at peoples grammar, why not be happy that they are speaking Estonian at all? I know for a fact that it is precisely this kind of critical attitude that has driven many people away from Esto society in Toronto which is most unfortunate. And frankly, if proper Estonian grammar were a requirement for participating in Esto society in Toronto then the society would be tiny indeed.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Rahu, ainult rahu (07:09)
Lootus18 Sep 2013 09:47
Strange that someone who entitles his/her comment "Peace" chooses to ignore the issue at hand and instead segues into yet another personal attack on a former employee of Ehatare and the events surrounding her dismissal. It is hard to answer such a corrosive screed in gentlemanly fashion but it can't be allowed to stand uncorrected.

Perhaps "Peace" should make peace with the fact that a judge will decide whether there was good reason for the firing based on evidence, not Peace's mere opinion that it was "probably for good reasons". Secondly, it is not clear whether the interests of Ehatare residents were well served by the board and ITS supporters on this particular issue. Ehatare residents in large numbers were initially shocked and perturbed at losing the employee in question, circulating a petition for her reinstatement. Many described her in very fond terms and wondered how they would do without her blithe spirit. What happened after that was stressful for all concerned but suffice it to say that there was another "gang" (distasteful term used by Peace) in play, the Board members and their supporters who had far more opportunity to sway residents. Let's just call them "B" group. The people, not gang (let's call them A group) who were justifiably concerned about the repercussions of the employee's dismissal for their loved ones in Ehatare made a constructive recommendation that the board and employee sit down together with a mediator and try to reach an understanding without going to court (and its associated costs). This was rejected out of hand by the board with no explanation. Then other unrelated but bothersome facts emerged. As just one example, there was a conflict of interest in that the head of the administrative board was also chief medical officer for Ehatare, something not allowed under Ontario regulations for retirement homes. (He subsequently resigned the medical officer position). Alarmed by what appeared to be a board impervious to constructive criticism, other candidates put their names forward as volunteers the following year. As far as being organized, Group B was far more so. The board chairman arrived at the annual meeting with enough proxy votes to outvote the people actually attending the meeting and see himself and the rest of the board safely re-elected. Since the proxy voters did not attend the meeting they had no opportunity to hear opposing views or concerns. This was not democracy at its finest.
"Peace" smears the individuals who became concerned about what they saw as flawed decision making by the board as having no legitimate interest in the running of Ehatare, out for "revenge" for their "friend" the dismissed employee, non-contributors to Ehatare and Estonian society in general. All untrue. The gross caricature as ill-intentioned people disturbing the peace of elderly Ehatare residents for nefarious purposes was particularly distasteful. Not content with that, he/she makes graceless and personal remarks about the dismissed employee, insulting every Estonian speaker with less than perfect grammar to boot. "Peace" has roiled waters that were best left to settle and to no good discernible purpose. Here's hoping the necessary discussion about the fate of Estonian House can proceed in healthy fashion without the same taint. It would help to assume that people with opposing views may be equally well intentioned to oneself and to present reasoned argument instead of baseless innuendo.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Lootus (09:43)
to - Lootus20 Sep 2013 10:58
I don't doubt that you mean well, but; you're misinformed on some relevant matters.
(1) "...a judge will decide whether there was good reason for the firing..." Not so.
In Ontario's employment law, an employee can be dismissed "without cause"; In that case, the only matter to be resolved is the details of an appropriate severance package.
(2) Yes, we (residents and their family members) were initially shocked and perturbed at losing the employee in question. It was a self-appointed busy-body from the outside, however, known to us but with with no substantial connection to Ehatare, who pressured residents to sign the petition you mention. One resident signed twice; another, reluctantly.
Our concern for smooth operations abated when the employee was replaced and Ehatare continued to function normally. The lesson here is that no one is irreplaceable.
(3) The only calls for mediation amounted to informal comments on Facebook and Eesti Elu and those were precluded by a lawsuit launched by the dismissed employee.
(4) Such matters rarely end up in court. In most cases, legal counsels quickly negotiate a settlement informally.
Why this one has dragged on for two years, with no end in sight, is a mystery.
(5) What specifically are you referring to when you mention "constructive criticism"? Could it be the campaign of harassment -- the long series of anonymous complaints to the Ministry?
For your information, they have all proved to be without merit, apart from the conflict of interest which preserved medical care in Estonian.
(6) The vigilantes who campaigned for a place on the Board lost because they lacked credibility.Their credentials were flimsy; and their campaign platform -- destructive. What's to be said for getting rid of medical care in Estonian?
For residents and their family members, this was worrisome.

As the child of a resident, I'm as mad as a wet hen at the Board's passivity. Many of the comments on Facebook were actionable slanders.
A legal response could have stopped the war on Ehatare in its tracks.
Get real!14 Sep 2013 09:40
This is an issue that should be determined by the shareholders. Those who have demonstrated their concern and commitment to our community with a hard financial investment.
Writers, et.al., can meet somewhere else to talk about other people's money and how it should be invested.
not trapped in the past13 Sep 2013 21:48
Eesti Maja building
is ugly, dysfunctional and not profitable. It is only conveniently located to those who currently live in the area, while the next generation has mostly moved to the 905 area code. There are thousands of Estonians in the GTA who do not feel any strong sentiment for the building and would welcome a change in location that could attract a new and fresh group of leadership, management and participation
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