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from Seedrioru14 Mar 2006 10:58
Your posting made me understand something and now I understand what it is about Maxim that really bugs me.
If he was just opinionated, I'd say so what. Who isn't? If he was just a know-it-all, big deal. He just makes himself look dumb. If he says things that are wrong? Well, who doesn't?
What gets me is that he comes here to insult us. He has got a smart-mouthed round-about way of doing it so that it looks like it's "nobody here but innocent me, just trying to advance intellectual discussion."
You used the word "insulting". Funny, but it hit me. Now I understand Maxim. And now he can't get on my nerves anymore. Thanks.
Maxim12 Mar 2006 07:14
Thanks to the editors on Eesti Elu who have recently given us some very interesting reading indeed! My reference to Slavic influence is with specific regard to the Orthodox Church. Many wonderful Estonians are also Orthodox by way of religion (including President Päts), and have inherited or incorporated certain cultural elements both individually and collectively, and strenghened our cultural base as a whole. Unfortunately, Lutheranism has not contributed as much to Estonian cultural development as has Orthodoxy. Just look at Estonia's no 1 Cultural export, Arvo Pärt, and you'll see for yourself what I mean. It is with regard to these "threads" of Orthodoxy permeating our cultural roots that I would like to see more emphasis made on researching this area in the future. Most of you may of course disagree with me, and chances are you're probably of Lutheran background anyway, which explains that reason. I don't think there is anything particularly narrow-minded in that point of view, and I certainly applaude the editorial staff of EE for their continued broad-range of subject material used in these pages.
Anonymous12 Mar 2006 09:48
Again, you posted your opinion before deciding what it is. It shows because it's always so vague and garbled.
You say that, "Many wonderful Estonians are also Orthodox ... and have inherited or incorporated certain cultural elements both individually and collectively." That sounds like vapouring to me. Can you prove me wrong by giving us some concrete examples?
Orthodox Christians are about 10% of the population. Their cultural contribution, if such an intangible could be measured, would probably be proportionate to their to their numbers. Can't imagine how it could be otherwise.
Pärt is certainly a significant contemporary composer, but is his work greater than the cummulative weight of Lutheran artists over the past 150 Years? Everything from Kreutzwald to Tammsaare to Tamberg? Doesn't sound plausible to me.
What's more plausible is that you have come here, yet again, to haze us with a provokation. But why? You are in Estonia now. Why can't you simply forget about us and whatever injuries we did to you?
Maxim12 Mar 2006 10:17
Read the tone of your comment compared to mine, and I'm sure you'll find there is no venom in it at all. You don't have to agree with the opinion, for goodness sake!! Why do you get so upset? Don't throw the blame back on me;and please don't tell me that I have less right to be here than you-that I find completely objectionable (as you no doubt would too) and beneath human dignity to go throwing weight around like that. If anything, we have to agree on the fact that if you or I are actually biased at times, then at least we should be grateful that the editorial board makes up for all our shortcomings, and allows opinon of various sorts to appear here. Thank you to EE's advisers and tolerant editors for displaying such a positive attitude, which is more often than not the very antithesis of the attitude of some people who comment here.
Anonymous12 Mar 2006 05:57
What an interesting and heart-moving speech. I wish that I was there to hear it in person.
Anonymous11 Mar 2006 20:44
I had a Russian grandmother and a Russified aunt. But I never saw reason to make strange with it like Maxim does.
Unanimous11 Mar 2006 19:33
Recently, Maksim scolded the highly respected Paul Goble for being incoherent and illogical without providing any specifics.
Here, he sounds like a high-school student dishing out praise and advice to Shakespeare.
Maksim is a clown who believes that he is the only one who gets the joke. In reality, he is the joke.
Anonymous11 Mar 2006 19:40
Is a joke still a joke if it simply isn't funny?
Imagine, fellow readers...11 Mar 2006 19:11
...that we weren't reading Maxim's comments in privacy; that instead we were gathered in a room where one of us read them aloud. Imagine that scene -- there would be dead silence and no one would look anyone else in the eye.
Maxim11 Mar 2006 00:16
Well written, Leon-fellow slav and Estonian patriot! You could have written a little more on the eastern influence on Estonians and their history-I suspect this is a big subject and awaiting to be committed to the annals of history. So far there is too much emphasis on the German influence upon Estonia. Let's get the other side of the story please; and you sound like just the right man to do the job. All the best to you, Leon.
2_Maxim11 Mar 2006 11:48
For once I agree with Maxim. I didn't think the day would come. You wrote, "You could have written a little more on the eastern influence on Estonians and their history-I suspect this is a big subject and awaiting to be committed to the annals of history. "
Maxim , I asume you are making reference to the following in the article.
" Horrendous terror and suffering was unleashed on the country during the year that followed: arrests and torture, and executions; but above all the attempt to destroy the Estonian intelligentsia by the deportation to Siberia of ten thousand men, women, and children. "
It looks like we have been successful in changing your way of thinking Maxim. Welcome to the fold Maxim.
I also agree on the good article. Wow! Agree with Maxim twice in one day.
Hey, Maxim!11 Mar 2006 20:06
If you do, you'll see the author says that the Russian influence on Estonia (communist period excepted) is pretty thin.
For someone who has difficulty reading and writing, you sure do act like a heavy-duty intellectual.
And now that your back in Estonia where you belong, why do you keep coming back here to bug us. In other words, why do you hate us?
Vironus11 Mar 2006 20:30
I think that Maxim has a grudge against us because we haven't acknowledged his "omniscience". (Look it up in the dictionary, Maxim, you stupid asol.) Estonians and Russians probably feel the same way and he probably has a grudge against them as well. So, we shouldn't feel singled out.
to Vironus11 Mar 2006 22:30
keep you comments under your personal moniker .... you only speak for yourself
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