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This guy's columns in Postimees are insufferably bad clunkers - probably published in order to reinforce "kodueestlaste" prejudices about väliseestlased being a bunch of boorish dimwits.
Some of the individuals in the last pargraph here might object to the association, Katariina too.
Some of the individuals in the last pargraph here might object to the association, Katariina too.
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0'Vello' is actually an American who spent most of his life as a U.S. adman (advertising account manager) state-side and whose real name is Scott Diel.
He is not a väliseestlane, otherwise he would know more about Estonia than his stories show.
He has been in the Baltics since the early 90s. He has spent most of his time in Estonia, and yes, he has married an local Estonian woman.
He oversaw over the slow death of the Tallinn-based City Paper before its Finnish owners sold its corpse to some Latvians.
He is desperate for cash and even tries to ride on Tallinn city busses for free. He says he does it because he thinks the busses are not good enough for him to pay for the fare.
He is basically stuck with Vello because under his real name no one in Estonia would pay him for the rubbish he writes. One sad case.
He is not a väliseestlane, otherwise he would know more about Estonia than his stories show.
He has been in the Baltics since the early 90s. He has spent most of his time in Estonia, and yes, he has married an local Estonian woman.
He oversaw over the slow death of the Tallinn-based City Paper before its Finnish owners sold its corpse to some Latvians.
He is desperate for cash and even tries to ride on Tallinn city busses for free. He says he does it because he thinks the busses are not good enough for him to pay for the fare.
He is basically stuck with Vello because under his real name no one in Estonia would pay him for the rubbish he writes. One sad case.
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0Can confirm that Vello is Scott Diel, having talked with him on more than one occasion, and that his blog and authoring persona is fictitious. He is not a Canadian or a Canadian Estonian. This American good old boy is basically of the same mold as Giustino of "Itching for Eestimaa" with the difference that Giustino has not been in the Peace Corps. If one dabbles in Balt-bashing or being cynical in respect to Estonians, I figure he as a resident ought to engage in constructive criticism or just plain criticism under his true name. Vello Vikerkaar is a false flag identity. As an long-term resident of Estonia and as an Estonian I believe there is a lot of fun that can be poked at the residents of the country, but need one wear a mask when doing so?
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0Krebs? That;s not a mask?
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0... but I like readin "Itching for Estonia"
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0Thanks for the low-down on Vello Vikerkaar.
Now, can you do the same for Maxin de la Trine?
Now, can you do the same for Maxin de la Trine?
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0The blog 'Giustino "Itching for Eestimaa"' is written by a Justin Petrone who lives in Tartu and is married to an Estonian journalist Epp Petrone. Some Estonian newspapers pick up or link to his blog for their online editions.
Mr. Petrone makes no efforts to hide who he is on his blog pages. He is usually published in Estonian newspapers under his own name and does not pretend to be a Canadian or Estonian or anyone else other than who he is.
In his defence, Mr. Deil has also been published under his own name in the Estonian press or has had at least one interview done under his real name (cf. Riina Luik, 'Mitte lihtsalt Eesti fänn' PM 14.05.2005).
I wonder how the recently passed amendments to the Law on Identity Theft in Estonia can be interpreted for Mr. Deil. Could be an interesting test case on the edge of the law.
Mr. Petrone makes no efforts to hide who he is on his blog pages. He is usually published in Estonian newspapers under his own name and does not pretend to be a Canadian or Estonian or anyone else other than who he is.
In his defence, Mr. Deil has also been published under his own name in the Estonian press or has had at least one interview done under his real name (cf. Riina Luik, 'Mitte lihtsalt Eesti fänn' PM 14.05.2005).
I wonder how the recently passed amendments to the Law on Identity Theft in Estonia can be interpreted for Mr. Deil. Could be an interesting test case on the edge of the law.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: here and now (13:19)
Everyone knows that Vello is Toomas Hendrik Ilves.
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0Scott Diel said this in April, 2009??? so what else is new? Vana uudis.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Anna Nüüm (21:58)
Piinlik on lugeda neid sapiseid kommentaare – paistab, et huumorimeel on väliseesti ja expat’ide kogukonnast kadunud. Vello võib olla kriitiline, kuid ta naerab nii maailma kui ka enda yle.
Miks on pseudonyymi all kirjutamine kuritegu? Milline loll arvab, et Molière, Mark Twain jt. tegid seda argpykslusest?
Eriti kummaline on seda etteheidet lugeda inimeselt kes esineb anonyymselt.
Erinevalt nendest, kes siin Vellot õelalt mustasid, olen mina lugenud Vello raamatut ja soovitan seda oma värske vaatenurga ja jabura huumori tõttu.
Miks on pseudonyymi all kirjutamine kuritegu? Milline loll arvab, et Molière, Mark Twain jt. tegid seda argpykslusest?
Eriti kummaline on seda etteheidet lugeda inimeselt kes esineb anonyymselt.
Erinevalt nendest, kes siin Vellot õelalt mustasid, olen mina lugenud Vello raamatut ja soovitan seda oma värske vaatenurga ja jabura huumori tõttu.
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0johanna v. = johanna vikerkaar, kas te olete siis vello ema?
Arusaadav siis
Arusaadav siis
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Save your kopiks (11:38)
Scott Diel kirjutas kord, et tema ema on vene päritolu väliseestlane ja ta peaks selleks, et ta poeg saaks Eesti kodakondsuse Eestisse sõitma. Ka on Eesti Migratsiooniameti töötajad tema väljamõeldud ema avates "harimatud väikekodanlased". Probleem on selles et välismaalased kel pole Eesti tausta loevad sellist Vello Vikerkaare jama ja arvavad et see ongi tõsi.
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0I've read Vello for over a year and I haven't interpreted anything he's said as an attack on Estonia. Criticism, yes. Fairness, yes. If you can't accept criticism for what it's worth--constructive or not--that means you're satisfied with the status quo. And if the status quo is not very good? Well, think about what you're actually defending.
If I had to choose between listening to Vello talk about Estonia or a väliseestlane talking about Estonia, of course I would choose Vello. Why? Because he's actually here. Where are the väliseestlased? At home reminiscing about a paradise they've built up in their heads but are not patriotic enough to actually go (back) to.
Vello obviously cares deeply for Estonia, and by speaking his mind, he is attempting to bring to the front some taboo issues. I can tell he's not Estonian simply by the fact that he doesn't just sling mud at anyone he happens to disagree with, and if he sees a problem, he doesn't repress it deep inside.
If I had to choose between listening to Vello talk about Estonia or a väliseestlane talking about Estonia, of course I would choose Vello. Why? Because he's actually here. Where are the väliseestlased? At home reminiscing about a paradise they've built up in their heads but are not patriotic enough to actually go (back) to.
Vello obviously cares deeply for Estonia, and by speaking his mind, he is attempting to bring to the front some taboo issues. I can tell he's not Estonian simply by the fact that he doesn't just sling mud at anyone he happens to disagree with, and if he sees a problem, he doesn't repress it deep inside.
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0Mina arvan, et Kanada väliseestlaste mainele on "Vello Vikerkaare" tegevus kahjulik. Tema kriitika on täielikult ebakonstruktiivne. Korduvalt on ta rünnanud eesti lapsi, sest need ei töötavat suveti, Vello Vikerkaare arvates peakisid nad ukselt uksele käimas oma teenuseid pakkumas, nagu väidetavalt tema kodumaal Kanadas tehtakse. Vello Vikerkaare saatsid tema "väliseesti" vanemad Ameerikasse onu Feliksi juurde tööle.Kas onu Felkisit üldse oli? Eesti naised on rumalad ja laisad kes Vello Vikerkaare arvates oma tarkade ja rikaste Ameerika ja Inglise armukeste kulul elavad.
Eestlased üldse on üks laisk rahvus Vello Vikerkaare arvates. Vello Vikerkaare arvates ei taha eesti poisid sõjaväes teenida, kuigi sõjaväkke on lausa järjekord.
Päris "väliseestlaste" ja liba-väliseestlase Vello Vikerkaare vahe on selles, et tal puudub täielikult isamaaarmastus ja side eesti kultuuriga. Ma loen tema blogi ja mingeid taboo asju seal küll pole, ainult väljamõeldised ja "huumor" mida naudivad välismaalased selleks et end lollidest ida-eurooplastest targema ja paremana tunda.
Eestlased üldse on üks laisk rahvus Vello Vikerkaare arvates. Vello Vikerkaare arvates ei taha eesti poisid sõjaväes teenida, kuigi sõjaväkke on lausa järjekord.
Päris "väliseestlaste" ja liba-väliseestlase Vello Vikerkaare vahe on selles, et tal puudub täielikult isamaaarmastus ja side eesti kultuuriga. Ma loen tema blogi ja mingeid taboo asju seal küll pole, ainult väljamõeldised ja "huumor" mida naudivad välismaalased selleks et end lollidest ida-eurooplastest targema ja paremana tunda.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Rita Rainbou (08:59)
Estonia is an imperfect country, like all countries. In order to improve, you have to know your weak points. What free-thinking and slightly intelligent person would voluntarily want to serve in a tiny military whose only reason for being is to unsuccessfully defend itself from the massive Russian army? Lääneots himself knows this (his total home warfare defense plan), so what's wrong with Vello talking about it?
The problem I have with Estonia is that it is arrogant about things that you're just supposed to do anyways. "We give our children universal education." You're supposed to! But talk about the near complete lack of common courtesy on public streets between Estonian and Estonian and you're condemned? That's what I consider a taboo subject. Poking fun at middle-aged businessmen shaving their heads? I think that's a good thing to poke fun at. If you're more aware of what others think of you, you can improve in ways you wouldn't have thought of before.
People love Scandinavia for their public transport, for just one example. Foreigners are disgusted by the smells and dirtiness of Tallinn's trams. If you want a strong Estonia, you will listen to what people say instead of just whining about someone saying something not 100% positive about what you think, for whatever reason, is a golden paradise.
The problem I have with Estonia is that it is arrogant about things that you're just supposed to do anyways. "We give our children universal education." You're supposed to! But talk about the near complete lack of common courtesy on public streets between Estonian and Estonian and you're condemned? That's what I consider a taboo subject. Poking fun at middle-aged businessmen shaving their heads? I think that's a good thing to poke fun at. If you're more aware of what others think of you, you can improve in ways you wouldn't have thought of before.
People love Scandinavia for their public transport, for just one example. Foreigners are disgusted by the smells and dirtiness of Tallinn's trams. If you want a strong Estonia, you will listen to what people say instead of just whining about someone saying something not 100% positive about what you think, for whatever reason, is a golden paradise.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Mingus (02:34)
Jeez, you make this Vello (and Deil too) out to be a really bad guy. If you were criticizing his writing, it'd at least be hearing the arguments. But there is lots of ad hominem trash talking here plus a couple of conspiracy theories about the Estonian press wanting to keep a certain image of foreign Estonians alive.
Is there a chance some are taking themselves waaaay too seriously? I mean, does the world really have any interest at all in Estonia? And do you really think that one guy writing whose mother doesn't like the migratsiooniamet workers is doing harm to your country? If you are worried about the image of your nation, don't you think the international committees who visit and issue negative reports about minority rights are doing more damage?
Is there a chance some are taking themselves waaaay too seriously? I mean, does the world really have any interest at all in Estonia? And do you really think that one guy writing whose mother doesn't like the migratsiooniamet workers is doing harm to your country? If you are worried about the image of your nation, don't you think the international committees who visit and issue negative reports about minority rights are doing more damage?
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0From Vello Vikerkaar blog forigner understands that: Vello Vikerkaar dont get Estonian citizenship beacuse her mother is Estonian of russian extraction and speaks estonian with accent.
From Vello Vikerkaar blog forigner understands that her mother must fly to Estonia to get passport. This is not true she can get passport from Estonian Embassy in Canada.
So what our forigner understands: Estonia disriminates Vello Vikerkaar because hes mother is Russian. So thats why some of hes entries are dangerous to Estonia.
Real truth is hes mother and "Vello" dont get Estonian citizenship because she is American.
From Vello Vikerkaar blog forigner understands that her mother must fly to Estonia to get passport. This is not true she can get passport from Estonian Embassy in Canada.
So what our forigner understands: Estonia disriminates Vello Vikerkaar because hes mother is Russian. So thats why some of hes entries are dangerous to Estonia.
Real truth is hes mother and "Vello" dont get Estonian citizenship because she is American.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Rita Rainbou (08:59), Eestist (03:18), Eestist (05:52)
What do you mean, "dangerous to Estonia"? You didn't hear any Americans telling the world press to shut up about Bush because their opinions were dangerous to America. Maybe "damaging to Estonia" would be a better term, but I somehow think that even that would be overreacting. The only thing here that could damage Estonia's reputation as a free country would be its inability to receive criticism. No one wants a kid on your team like that.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Mingus (02:34), Mingus (05:23)
Yes damaging is right word!
I dont´t think he must shut up, but he must stop pretending to be Canadian Estonian. He must start to publish under hes own name and nationality. But I bet he dont´t write such things any more because he is afraid and some of stuff he is writing is not true.
What about humor: Top Gear is funny, Andrus Kivirähk is funny - Scott Diel is not:)
I dont´t think he must shut up, but he must stop pretending to be Canadian Estonian. He must start to publish under hes own name and nationality. But I bet he dont´t write such things any more because he is afraid and some of stuff he is writing is not true.
What about humor: Top Gear is funny, Andrus Kivirähk is funny - Scott Diel is not:)
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Rita Rainbou (08:59), Eestist (03:18), Eestist (05:52), Eestist (06:19)
Estonia is 6. in press freedom in world.
USA is 20.
Its good you yanks can critizise president Bush in press:):):):
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Did I tell this story was in hes book? No I did not.
Story about Vello`s mother was is in hes BLOG.
http://vellovikerkaar.blogspot...
Etnic russian mother :)
Where madam Vikerkaarovna lives in Canada?
I am a working woman and mother by the way so lets leave all this talking out of your tagumikud(please dont´t try to to write Estonian, its rediculous), marihuana, caves
and lack of real world out of discussion, OK.
USA is 20.
Its good you yanks can critizise president Bush in press:):):):
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Did I tell this story was in hes book? No I did not.
Story about Vello`s mother was is in hes BLOG.
http://vellovikerkaar.blogspot...
Etnic russian mother :)
Where madam Vikerkaarovna lives in Canada?
I am a working woman and mother by the way so lets leave all this talking out of your tagumikud(please dont´t try to to write Estonian, its rediculous), marihuana, caves
and lack of real world out of discussion, OK.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Rita Rainbou (08:59), Eestist (03:18), Eestist (05:52), Eestist (06:19), Eestist (06:53)
And I meant to add that calling migratsiooniamet workers "harimatud väikekodanlased" is pretty well accurate. At least, they have lived up to that description every time I've had to go hat in hand and ask for an extension of my living permit. So if the shoe fits...
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Jacques-Alain Finkeltroc (04:49)
The point is -hes (Scott Diel) mother is not väliseestlane and he is not väliseestlane either! He is just typical yank who pretends to be Canadian estonian. I dont´t think canadian estonians are so excited of such new member of community. Here are already news that anti-estonian cremlin agents use hes- Vello Vikerkaar statements. Lena Hietanen for excample. I think and several other people here that Scott Diel must stop pretending to be canadian Estonian.
Scott Diel thinks that estonian boys must serve in army in other ways they are not real men.:)
Scott Diel writes that he can`t get Estonian citzenship because her mother is russian and she must fly to Estonian to get estonian passport. This is just nonsense.
I have read all Vello Vikerkaar blog entries and hes writings in Baltlantis. He is just afraid to publish all this "humor" and "critisism" under hes own name. Sorry my english is not good, I just have my crappy universal Estonian education.
I will go now and start discriminate minorities!!!!
Scott Diel thinks that estonian boys must serve in army in other ways they are not real men.:)
Scott Diel writes that he can`t get Estonian citzenship because her mother is russian and she must fly to Estonian to get estonian passport. This is just nonsense.
I have read all Vello Vikerkaar blog entries and hes writings in Baltlantis. He is just afraid to publish all this "humor" and "critisism" under hes own name. Sorry my english is not good, I just have my crappy universal Estonian education.
I will go now and start discriminate minorities!!!!
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Rita Rainbou (08:59), Eestist (03:18)
I have read Vello's book and did not see a single story about his mother or citizenship, except for story about crazy Russian children who thought life was perfect in the UK. Are you talking about some obscure comment somewhere that maybe I didn't read? (Example: the comment about him riding buses for free didn't seem fair--I did happen to read the story about public transport in Üks.)
In all cases, you're talking out of your tagumikud. You say Vello's pieces are crap, yet they're popular among päris- or kodueestlased in Estonia. You say the criticism is damaging or dangerous yet you say it's only that way because a pseudonym is involved?
Put away your marijuana pipe, crawl out of your cave and discover the real world.
In all cases, you're talking out of your tagumikud. You say Vello's pieces are crap, yet they're popular among päris- or kodueestlased in Estonia. You say the criticism is damaging or dangerous yet you say it's only that way because a pseudonym is involved?
Put away your marijuana pipe, crawl out of your cave and discover the real world.
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0I'd just like to say I'm a väliseestlane who is not psycho or paranoid. I haven't read much Vello and so can't follow all the discussion here but what I've read made me laugh.
I don't know about the man's mother. Maybe she's a crazy old bat. Mine is. I can say that because she only reads the print version of Eesti Elu. (She's not internet savvy.)
I don't know about the man's mother. Maybe she's a crazy old bat. Mine is. I can say that because she only reads the print version of Eesti Elu. (She's not internet savvy.)
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: johanna v. (06:53)
Estonia is higher than the US in many things. It's number one in the world, in fact, for:
Suicide
Divorce
Prostate cancer mortality
Hummers per capita
And my favorite: literacy. (I always brag about that one!)
It's also officially the unhappiest country in the European Union. I think people like Vello are very necessary.
Suicide
Divorce
Prostate cancer mortality
Hummers per capita
And my favorite: literacy. (I always brag about that one!)
It's also officially the unhappiest country in the European Union. I think people like Vello are very necessary.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Mingus (02:34), Mingus (05:23), Mingus (06:26)
So you think "Vello" will save us of prostate cancer, sucide, devorce, Hummers, teach us to read and write and after reading "Vello``s" "humor" we are happiest nation in Europe. Just lovely! Our savor is coming! How american:)
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Rita Rainbou (08:59), Eestist (03:18), Eestist (05:52), Eestist (06:19), Eestist (06:53), Eestist (09:16), Eestist (02:28)
Who said anything about savors, or even saviors? Or sucide or devorce? By the way, the word is 'his', not 'hes'. There should be automatic spell-check in these comment boxes, or can't you be bothered to use it? That's specifically what Vello talks about...people just can't be bothered to do anything about their own problems. Thank you for demonstrating one perfect example.
And Edward was referring to 'you' in the plural, unless he somehow meant that the unfoundedly angry detractors on this thread are collectively speaking out of one giant anus. I understood 'anuses' in the plural...one for each of you.
Bottom line: A vast number of Estonians (it may even be a majority, but I doubt there's any intel on that) simply cannot take criticism. But they sure can dish it out. Take your blinders off, take a deep breath and try to understand that Vello means no offense. Nor do I. By continuing to behave in this fashion, you are saying that Estonia is free of problems. I don't need to explain how this makes you look.
One last thought before I leave this thoroughly albeit typically unpleasant debate with Estonians: I've met both Vello and Scott Diel. That Liina's a hottie!
And Edward was referring to 'you' in the plural, unless he somehow meant that the unfoundedly angry detractors on this thread are collectively speaking out of one giant anus. I understood 'anuses' in the plural...one for each of you.
Bottom line: A vast number of Estonians (it may even be a majority, but I doubt there's any intel on that) simply cannot take criticism. But they sure can dish it out. Take your blinders off, take a deep breath and try to understand that Vello means no offense. Nor do I. By continuing to behave in this fashion, you are saying that Estonia is free of problems. I don't need to explain how this makes you look.
One last thought before I leave this thoroughly albeit typically unpleasant debate with Estonians: I've met both Vello and Scott Diel. That Liina's a hottie!
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Mingus (02:34), Mingus (05:23), Mingus (06:26), Mingus (10:30)
"...out of your tagumikud(please dont´t try to to write Estonian, its rediculous)" -
Edward ei teinud ÜHTEGI viga sõnas "tagumikud" (mitmuse nimetav kääne on õige), teie aga teete igas lauses vähemalt 37 viga.
Edward ei teinud ÜHTEGI viga sõnas "tagumikud" (mitmuse nimetav kääne on õige), teie aga teete igas lauses vähemalt 37 viga.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: johanna v. (06:53), Tondi Jaan (10:01)
Ooo proua, kas Teil on kaks tagumikku. Minul on küll üks.
Mina muidugi ei tea, et eesti keeles oleks väljend "Talking out of tagumikud" aga eks see ole mingi "väliseesti Vellode" släng.
Äkki tõlgiksite selle eesti keelde!
Räägid välja oma tagumikkudest???
OH vabandage vigade pärast aga minul on sama piinlik lugeda selle lehe vigaseid eestikeelseid kommentaare, nii et kannatate ära, eks.
Mina muidugi ei tea, et eesti keeles oleks väljend "Talking out of tagumikud" aga eks see ole mingi "väliseesti Vellode" släng.
Äkki tõlgiksite selle eesti keelde!
Räägid välja oma tagumikkudest???
OH vabandage vigade pärast aga minul on sama piinlik lugeda selle lehe vigaseid eestikeelseid kommentaare, nii et kannatate ära, eks.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Rita Rainbou (08:59), Eestist (03:18), Eestist (05:52), Eestist (06:19), Eestist (06:53), Eestist (09:16)
Tunnen Vello Vikerkaart isiklikult. On väga solvav lugeda teda halvustavaid kommentaare. Hullem kui delfi.ee puhul. Häbi!
Huffingtonpostis kirjutav Scott Diel on väljamõeldis. Sama võib öelda ka Postimehes kirjutava Abdul Turay kohta, sest Eestis teatavasti neegrid üle poole aasta ela.
Huffingtonpostis kirjutav Scott Diel on väljamõeldis. Sama võib öelda ka Postimehes kirjutava Abdul Turay kohta, sest Eestis teatavasti neegrid üle poole aasta ela.
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0Scott Diel väljamöeldis:), ja tema naine Janika ja super maja Viimsis:) Ja ylikool Arkansases:) Seda vöib kyll ainult naiivsete väliseestlaste lehes
ajada.
Oma intervjuudes millegipärast see inimene Scott Diel arvab et eestlased on töökad ja önnelikud.
Aga väljamöeldud imagoga vöib ju ennast välja elada!
Seda neegrit oops musta oops angloaafriklast näitas kah ykspäev telekast. Vatras midagi valimistest, nii et ei ole see Eesti nii hull koht yhti.
Ka jääb see "tagumikud" asi häirima. Vötke pea välja tagumikud? Vötke pea tagumikkudest välja? Vötke pea tagumikust välja?
Mul on ka tore vanasöna Koerad hauguvad aga karavan läheb edasi. Ei tea kuidas see lause inglise eesti segakeeles oleks. Dogs hauguvad but caravan liigub edasi.
ajada.
Oma intervjuudes millegipärast see inimene Scott Diel arvab et eestlased on töökad ja önnelikud.
Aga väljamöeldud imagoga vöib ju ennast välja elada!
Seda neegrit oops musta oops angloaafriklast näitas kah ykspäev telekast. Vatras midagi valimistest, nii et ei ole see Eesti nii hull koht yhti.
Ka jääb see "tagumikud" asi häirima. Vötke pea välja tagumikud? Vötke pea tagumikkudest välja? Vötke pea tagumikust välja?
Mul on ka tore vanasöna Koerad hauguvad aga karavan läheb edasi. Ei tea kuidas see lause inglise eesti segakeeles oleks. Dogs hauguvad but caravan liigub edasi.
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0Mingus - amen brother! while i agree with you that estonians are not the best at swallowing criticism (i am an estonian and been surprised about people not being able to accept the whole picture about themselves and that only the bright side is recognized), i think that it's an especially big issue amongst väliseestlased who just can't tolerate any opinion that's not 100% positive about their holy land.
Rainbou - i think Mingus clarified that "tagumikud " issue - indeed, it wasn't only your tagumik that was talked about.
Rainbou - i think Mingus clarified that "tagumikud " issue - indeed, it wasn't only your tagumik that was talked about.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: johanna v. (06:53), Tondi Jaan (10:01), tondi jaani eesti naine (11:15)
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