Tegeleme Toronto Eesti Maja ümberehituse ettepanekuga: 'Mis oleks kui!? EST, ENG VIDEO TÄIENDATUD
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Pirtsakas24 Apr 2019 09:12
What's new here? It looks like the same video we saw months ago.
rkomendant@studiok.ca24 Apr 2019 12:12
"What's old is new" . . .THAT'S the message, again. No matter how you brand, label, revise, cajole or fundraise yourself into the crowded fabric of Bloor & Spadina, the Site on Broadview is magnificent, and the narrative of that story, OUR story in beautiful Canada, should not be given up for something that seems shiny and new. Madison has no tunge, like EM did so many years ago. Madison "International" is a project with a bad vibe from the very beginning and has been founded on some very old fashioned (dictatorial) concepts- something about 'the elites' telling the rest of the community they know what's best. The Video by the 'Tulge' initiative proves that- the spirit has changed, and it's not for the better. All the subterfuge and quashing of "free speech" (commentary, debate, discussion), to duke this out, well it's obscene- and if individuals don't realize this . . . shudder.
Lembit Tork, Tallinn.24 Apr 2019 11:38
Hey gal/ man, I almost agree. What's been added are 4 new interior renderings. They are most beautiful, I must agree. Serendipity, when that happens. As an architect one can do crap work and great work. Same architect, different situation. In this case, it's pretty darn fine. Good team. Thanks Kristo!
Ähh, it's the whole neighbourhood meaning and history recombined-combined! But as my brother-in-law Rob said: 'what the hey!?- 10 years too late, dude!' We now have the 'Suur Saal', the streetfront 'Bistro cafe', the non-denominational chapel/ meditation space, the two views of the Entry Hall, connecting the new building to the Eesti Kool and the Chester school, at the back. Structural wood everywhere, maybe from Eesti's own Peetripuit, a client of mine. Not mere window-dressing, but fundamentally integral backbone stuff. I must admit it's far better than I imagined, what a crying shame! And why next I'll be submitting my: 'Despite it all (all the segadus, bureaucratic hard work, and emotions), miks ma üldse otsustasin Broadview Eesti Maja renovation proposal-i ettepanekuga tegeleda?' It's not that very reputable, hard-working and good people, my Toronto family included, didn't warn me not to do it. It's not that I don't respect the fine young gentleman Veiko Parming, nor that I don't have at least one wonderful old acquaintance there at the ECU. But contrary to received opinion, fact is, this is a far cry from previous proposals. And I protest to it being described differently. This should fall into allowable zoning. This is not mainly residential. This would have an entirely different financial plan, aimed at sustainability over time through multiple revenue streams, a legacy to Estonian activities for generations to come. I'd like to see that proven too, but at three times the space, is it impossible? So, it grieves me to be in this situation, stoking up the 'protest vote' (that formally does not count any more), despite myself. I know how I'd revote, too old to be a buffoon just not to kick the boat. One has to live with one's conscience first. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. Tough stuff, I realize, I realize. Fact is, there was nothing ever slam-dunk about the new International Center. Cost over-runs aren't just waiting to happen? If it's all down to how many donations it receives, doesn't that go flatly against the original mandate to be covered by the sale of Broadview? Or does it not, you folks know for sure. But I would like to see both built. The IEC in a lesser scope taking advantage of all things downtown- fantastic idea - but the Broadview site not sold. I've read it (mostly) all, practically from day one. I still can't get over the argument that a lack of parking doesn't matter - let's just risk this isn't the straw to break the camel's back, this community can afford to sacrifice those coming from far suburbs, because those who want to will come anyway? I don't know. Not everyone's that super-dedicated, life's tough enough anyway? So, from the beginning I didn't buy the New York Eesti Maja argument in the slightest. I guess that was my line in the sand. Besides, who knows, I might be back. My daughter loves the idea of Toronto. Oh yes, and isn't the megatron transformer being proposed for Broadview not a bit of pipe-dream and scaling embarrassment, not to mention wasn't it so that Salvation Army couldn't get densities/ height limits changed? Best and sorry, as but Bianca Castafiore has not yet sung, has she?
Pirtsakas25 Apr 2019 09:47
I was hoping for more information on how this can be made viable but all we got was more pretty pictures. Is there a business plan? How about architectural plans? Please share both with the public.

I don't know why people are under the illusion that fund raising from the community was not in the original funding structure. It was clearly stated at the March 2017 meeting.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Pirtsakas (09:12)
"Getting sentimental over you"25 Apr 2019 08:28
We can sing it together, with feeling, but truth remains: "Money talks, b.s. walks."
Meiusi and the "Friends of Eesti Maja" wont put their money where their mouth is.
Meanwhile, over on Madison Ave, money is pouring in freely and without great fanfare.
rkomendant@studiok.ca25 Apr 2019 09:00
Oh what's that I hear? why its a bell . . . and it's donging and not in a good way, big icebergs ahead. I wouldn't get so cocky pal, machinations are still "iffy", palms will have to be greashed and THEN what's left in the kitty? :D
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: rkomendant@studiok.ca (12:12)
An Observer26 Apr 2019 10:27
I find the comments from R Komendant about "palms having to be greased" as pretty incredible. What is the basis for this comment?
rkomendant@studiok.ca26 Apr 2019 14:49
Over 40 years working with BIG LEAGUE Developers.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: rkomendant@studiok.ca (12:12), rkomendant@studiok.ca (09:00)
Fox Mulder26 Apr 2019 14:57
to:rkomendant@studiok.ca

You and the person from DeGrassi Street are no better than trolls and/or fake news!

You self-importance is only breaking up the Estonian community....

not sure if you noticed but JJ, that guy from "down-under" and even the man with the Lakeshore Ekspresway have curtailed their anti-IEC rants.

One thing that after all these years that seems (at least to me) is that you don't understand HOW decisions are/were made on behalf of EM.

SHAREHOLDERS have voting authority! NOT the general public.

There were a few Estonians that lived in the US that moved to Canada AND were just plain dedicated to the Estonian Community in the Golden Horseshoe.

To state that only the "super-dedicated" attend functions at the NY Eesti Maja is at best a simpleton's explanation..... parking was or has NOT been an issue at NYEM from 1946 on.

But these are only my observations
rkomendant@studiok.ca01 May 2019 17:35
OK "Fox-whatever", lose the silly avatar and tell us who YOU really are. You are obvious not my contemporary
and therefore don't know me to shoot your mouth off like that. Of course I have awards for my work, what self respecting Estonian doesn't if they are GOOD at something- what are YOU good at? Seems many of our tribe has lost their way, here is a nice little reminder to them and you:

https://youtu.be/M_lc92Rq4j4

https://et.wikisource.org/wiki...

Also, see you on the 28th-ish, for the Public Presentation- I've been invited to attend!

In the meantime you can get an education about architecture and bees!

https://thebeeblogbyritakomend...

https://areallygoodarchitect.w...

ritakomendant,com

Toodles.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: rkomendant@studiok.ca (12:12), rkomendant@studiok.ca (09:00), rkomendant@studiok.ca (14:49)
Fox Mulder26 Apr 2019 15:04
a href="mailto:rkomendant@studiok.ca">rkomendant@studiok.ca

"Over 40 years working with BIG LEAGUE Developers."

Guess it MUST be so since YOU have had this sort of experience. It is obvious that everyone else MUST have the exact same experience!

I forgot, exactly how many awards have you received compared to this project's lead architect?

Guess you know more about process in the GTA than he does about those up there in Thunder Bay?
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Fox Mulder (14:57)
Been there, done that!26 Apr 2019 17:17
Every developer has to “give back to the community”, read the zoning review from the City. It could be a park, library addition or whatever the councillor’s pet project is. Grease enough palms and the development goes through! Have seen this done, haven’t you?
Toronto süda!26 Apr 2019 17:55
Nothing is permanent.
Eesti Maja has been sold and it is time to move on.
Sad to see the constant bashing by seemingly intelligent people who have done nothing themselves for the Toronto community but now bark from afar.
Have an opinion but learn to let go!
Hope that time will heal wounds and promote understanding in our small community .
To Toronto süda26 Apr 2019 21:26
Süda on ikka Eesti Maja ja midagi seda ei muuda. Madison on ikka parkla. Tuleb recession, Eesti Maja rahad on ära raisatud ja midagi ei ehitata. Ainult süda jääb järele, aga kuulub kellegile teisele. So no, we can’t ever get over it- can you?
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Been there, done that! (17:17)
Another Observer27 Apr 2019 06:48
Wow, Fox, you sure have a lot to say from behind the curtain!
At least Rita & Allan are front and centre as to who they are.
I guess you'll just keep playing at being the wise wizard, working your wheels and levers in the shadows.
Fox Mulder27 Apr 2019 09:03
to: Another Observer

Guess you like playing "follow the leader"

as the Wiz said to Toto "bite me"
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Fox Mulder (14:57), Fox Mulder (15:04)
Another Observer27 Apr 2019 18:05
Hey Foxy.
I've got nothing to say, but you sure seem to.
So man up and be counted! Look at how many others do.
Or continue to cower behind your curtain.
Fox Mulder27 Apr 2019 18:29
just like me?

I guess you prefer the shadows too.

As the Wiz said to Toto, "bite me"
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Fox Mulder (14:57), Fox Mulder (15:04), Fox Mulder (09:03)
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