Dr. Vares
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used, then discarded?06 Apr 2009 20:53
I believe that you're right, Justin.
This story would be hilarious if it took place in the theatre rather than the history book.
a follow up question07 Apr 2009 05:38
How can such highly educated people be so hopelessly gullible? It's simply astounding.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: used, then discarded? (20:53)
Maxim08 Apr 2009 00:07
The only problem with this article is that it manages to put everyone down-whoever succeeded in capturing one iota of limelight. I disgree with the notion that Hans Kruus was not suitable for the job-he was one of the best intellects of his day, and history has credited him with being a forerunner of the line of thinking for which Lennart Meri took to its logical conclusion. If Kruus had been Prime Minister of his day, I doubt the govt of the time would have landed itself in such a quagmire of problems as it did.
to - Maxim de la Trine08 Apr 2009 10:19
More sh-t from de la Trine!

"...and history has credited [Hans Kruus] with being a forerunner of the line of thinking for which Lennart Meri took to its logical conclusion."

Of course, Maxim can't specify what that might be.

As usual, Maxim is here to tell us that, "I know a lot of stuff that you don't, but I'm not going to tell you what it is."

Curious readers can go to Wikipedia to read about Hans Kruus, the historian and the communist.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: used, then discarded? (20:53), a follow up question (05:38)
Maxim08 Apr 2009 11:28
You can read all you want about Hans Kruus, because Estonia's best poet and essayist has collected Kruus' finest writing and put it together in book form. The book is available at the Toronto library for anyone interested in furthering their knowledge of this brilliant man.
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to Maxim08 Apr 2009 11:40
If you're going to go as far as recommending a book, then give us the title, for Pete's sake!

Where is your sense? Or, perhaps you don't even know the title, somebody just told you that such a book exists and, in your mind, that's enough to make you an expert.
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Maxim08 Apr 2009 12:33
Sari on Eesti Motelood-toimetanud Hando Runnel. Enjoyable reading!
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (00:07), Maxim (11:28)
thank you, Maxim08 Apr 2009 13:20
Hando Runnel is familiar. Most of us would place him among the best of Estonian writers, without saying that he is the very best. Be that as it may.

No doubt, some of us will read the particular volume that you recommend. I wonder if you will be among them?

I say that because you once recommended a "brilliant historical theorist". Upon inspection, he turned out to be a mere journalist scribbling about gay liberation and we could see that you hadn't read his writings at all.

From your writing style, we have some doubts about your ability to read, either in English and Estonian. Over time, you have given us plenty of reasons to think that you are as phoney as a three dollar bill.

With that in mind, I'm trundling off to the library with low expectations. I'll get back to you on this.
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FYI, Maxim08 Apr 2009 13:29
In proper Estonian, it's not a "sari". It's a "kogumik".
How is it that someone as stupid as you, is able to think that he's so smart?
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Maxim = a three dollar bill08 Apr 2009 13:48
Thanks for the recommendation, Mr. B.S.

I'd put it to good use, if such a book existed in the Toronto Public Library's online catalogue.

Yet again, Maxim shovels the b.s.
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neutral observer08 Apr 2009 14:18
Maxim's "brilliant historical theorist" is the infamous, Teet Veispak. Mostly, he's known for beating the gay liberation drum. To be fair, he has also had some association with Estonia's historical institute where he taken the Marxist line on Estonian history. He also has a criminal record.

Maxim pushed Veispak into our face to goad us with his Marxist line.

Maxim hasn't read any of Veispak's writings, because he can't. Veispak uses Marxist patois and Maxim has only a rudimentary ability in Estonian.
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Good article, Justin!08 Apr 2009 11:04
Don't pay attention to Maxim. In case you don't know he's always here blowing his own horn and making a fool of himself.
His problem is that he can't see himself in a mirror.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: used, then discarded? (20:53), a follow up question (05:38), to - Maxim de la Trine (10:19)
to Justine Petrone08 Apr 2009 14:43
Thanks for the thoughtful, well-researched piece on Dr. Vares, et. al. Let's have more of this.

For those who read Estonian and curious about Vares, I'd alert them to the fine Estonian writer, Artur Adson, who dedicates a chapter to this man in his book, Siuru raamat.
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to - Maxim de la Trine08 Apr 2009 16:13
If you are so smart, why can't you write an article like Justine Petrone?
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Peeter08 Apr 2009 16:50
Because Peeter Mehisto=Maxim.
to Peeter08 Apr 2009 17:13
Not believable.
Unlike Maxim, Peeter Mehisto is literate.
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Too Far?09 Apr 2009 08:44
Yet another potential slander suit! Who's next to be smeared by this group/person? Keep going and eventually you'll run into someone who will take a legal stand against this sort of drive-by smearing. Sadly or perhaps appropriately, this website might be on the receiving end of "it" for not paying any attention to this sort of nonsense. Or does the staff support the unambiguous character assassination of specific individuals based on political views?
oki09 Apr 2009 09:03
I think you meant libel, not slander.

Regardless, who do you think has been on the receiving end of the alleged libelous statements? Zhdanov? Vares?

You are kidding, right?
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: oki (08:05)
staff support09 Apr 2009 10:29
"...unambiguous character assassination of specific individuals..."

what character? what individual(s)? what specificity?

what staff? what support?

What rubbish!
?09 Apr 2009 11:14
Two individuals have been specifically named and smeared on these pages due to the uncontrollable rage of a few people here. Whether you agree with their views or not, you cannot arbitrarily name specific people in the community and drag their names through the mud by connecting them to the postings of one anonymous contributor. As for whether this is libel or slander, I would suggest looking up the definitions. In any case I'm not sure that a judge would accept your defence of "Maxim is jerk" no matter how big of a jerk he might or might not be. Let's not forget that some pretty terrible things have been said about one of the individuals named as "Maxim" and even threats of violence have been implied in the past. Not only is it embarrassing for the community, but it's serious stuff that this website's admins should take a bit more seriously than they currently do.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Too Far? (08:44)
Oki: to ?09 Apr 2009 11:41
I am not sure what you mean.

Do you think that Maxim has been libeled? If so, how can anybody be responsible for libel of anonymous commentator? This is utter nonsense.

Some people think that Maxim is a certain person they have known in the past. Has anybody said that EK is a scumbag or idiot, etc? Not that I recall.

Only person who might have a case is Maxim, but he happens to be an anonymous fictitious character.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: oki (08:05), oki (09:03)
Nervous?09 Apr 2009 13:24
Sounds as though you might be.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Too Far? (08:44), ? (11:14), Censors (11:18)
Maxim10 Apr 2009 00:14
I acknowledge that expressing points of view that may seen controversial has always called forth a barrage of counterattacks, from persons of varying persuasions. I have never attacked anyone for their difference of opinion, though for some unusual reason this form of respect has not been accorded to me. However, like the editors of EE, I have always believed in freedom of speech for everyone, and as long as that priviledge exists we can be grateful that we live in a free country. As usual, I wish my critics a blessed and holy Easter, even though that too has become a taboo subject in certain quarters-certainly not yet at EE!
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (00:07), Maxim (11:28), Maxim (12:33), Observer (23:20)
A friend of EK10 Apr 2009 13:51
I caught up with Erik a few weeks ago, and he told me how hilarious it is that someone has cooked up a storm in a teacup suggesting that he is Maxim. He's never heard of the guy, and doesn't really care if people are so far off the mark in thinking he's him-ummm-hum. He said it's not the first time the Toronto community has come up with a blooper like this one!
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (00:07), Maxim (11:28), Maxim (12:33), Observer (23:20), Maxim (00:14)
Observer08 Apr 2009 23:20
I've read and re-read these comments, and to my utter amazement, I find it totally incomprehensible as to what has caused you all to jump on Maxim so ruthlessly. There isn't a hint of rudeness in his comments; yet you others attack him for the useful information he is willing to share with all of us. I am sorry that our community reflects such a degree of hatred and backbiting, and it doesn't surprise me that our days as an ethnic group in Canada are numbered.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (00:07), Maxim (11:28), Maxim (12:33)
about Observer09 Apr 2009 06:35
Observer must be Maxim himself -- no one else could compose something that's so out of touch.
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oki09 Apr 2009 08:05
I actually agree with Observer. Whatever the past, but Maxim is taking some unfair flack here. I think there are one or two individuals who are so worked up about Maxim that they explode at any sight of him. At least Maxim usually posts under his own moniker and does not hide behind multiple aliases.
slander or libel?09 Apr 2009 10:27
Maxim comes here to boast and to provoke. In response, he receives a volley of jeers.
It's an ugly thing to witness and I think that it's outrageous that the editor, Vaado Sarapuu, doesn't put a stop to it.
Those who think that Maxim has been slandered or libelled, don't understand those concepts.
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Censors09 Apr 2009 11:18
Are you suggesting censorship based on political views?
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Too Far? (08:44), ? (11:14)
to Maxim's defenders09 Apr 2009 14:54
How can you defend Maxim's provocations, such as: denying the Soviet occupation and the crimes against humanity?
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oki09 Apr 2009 16:09
Nobody defends Maxim's past claims. All I'm saying is that in this particular thread Maxim has not said anything that justifies such a heavy handed attack.

BTW, I am pleased to see the new comment feature that revels the people who try to hide behind multiple identities.
Toomas Merilo11 Apr 2009 22:55
Maxim obviously has not been attentive enough to notice the new feature on this commentary site. Namely, that it indicates whenever the same commentator has responded using whatever name.

In this case, it identifies Maxim as now having responded under the name of 'a friend of EK.'

Additionally, it shows Maxim as having posted under two other names, 'Observer' as well as 'A friend of EK':

Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (00:07), Maxim (11:28), Maxim (12:33), Observer (23:20), Maxim (00:14)

As 'Observer' Maxim wrote "I find it totally incomprehensible as to what has caused you all to jump on Maxim so ruthlessly."

As 'a friend of EK' he writes with similar cluelessness.

So Maxim and his multiple personalities have been ascertained.
Toomas, what about this clown?12 Apr 2009 11:33
FYI, Maxim 08 Apr 2009 13:29
Teema: Re: the maniac's a cretin
In proper Estonian, it's not a "sari". It's a "kogumik".
How is it that someone as stupid as you, is able to think that he's so smart?
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