Arvamus: JOKK, aga MOMM
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Toomas Merilo08 Jul 2011 16:58
Eerik Purjel on rohkem kui selge mõistus.

Kui asi läheb kohtusse kaotavad kõik [i](välja arvatud advokaadid).[i]

EAK juhatus on kõigi poolt hinnatud, kui hoolikad, targad, ja mõistlikud… milles siis asi?

Mul pole ligipääs sisemisele infole, aga arvata võib, et Roosi ja administraatori Ruth MacFarlane’i vahel on piniged.

Arvata ka võib, et asjaolu pole järskne. Aga mine tea, ehk Roosi saatis MacFarlane-i pikkalt? Ja et siin on tegelikult mingi jõuproov, millest EAK juhatusgi pole teadlik?

Eerikul on õigus, “Tegelik omanik on siiski meie kohalik kogukond, eesti rahvas.”

Siiamaani on EAK juhatus, minu mõtlemisi, läbi kukunud. Lahendus peaks olema võimalik, kasvõi vahekohtuniku, [i]nimelt vahekohtuniku, [i]kaudu.

Ise olen meelel, et kui EAK laseb asja käest ära, siis olgu… minu ealine tunneb end kodus nii kanadalastega kui eestlastega… muidugi loodan mitte vanadekoduse minna. See selleks.
Kahju08 Jul 2011 20:31
Kahju küll... nii halvasti kui tema vallandamine oli juhitud, jätke tähele sest siin majas on ka teisi küsimusi mis võivad tekitada probleeme edaspidi
JEOKK ja MOKK08 Jul 2011 21:22
JEOKK ja MOMM

Roosi toetuseks käivitatud aktsioon on olnud ootamatu ja huvitav ühiskondlik eksperiment.
Sellega on näidatud, et Kanada eesti ühiskonnal on veel selgroogu, aastakümneid pole seda nähtud. See tähendab, et on veel lootust.

Nüüd et selgroog on üles leitud, mida võiks veel ühiskonnas saavutada kolektiivse tahtejõuga? Mis nüüd edasi saab?

Pean silmas EKN-i, kus juriidiliselt ei ole kõik korras (JEOKK), MOMM-ist rääkimata.
EKN on tukkuma jäänud juba aastakümneid, meie ühiskonna suureks õnnetuseks. Kui ammu siit maailmast läinud Tönu Parming tõi karmi sõnaga tähelepanu EKN-i nõrkustele oma ajalehe artiklites, siis kus oli rahvas siis? Vait kui sukk. See on ühiskonna oma süü, et EKN on nii kaua inefektiivne organisatsioon olnud, paras patupalk.

Aga...nagu Roosi afääriga oli näha, on tehnoloogia areng võimaldanud meil sõna maksma panna, juhid panevad tähele ja pingutavad rohkem, vähemalt tegutsevad ettevaatlikumalt.

*****
Teine koht kus rahvas võiks oma sõna maksma panna on Toronto Eesti Maja Tuleviku projekti suhtes. Tundub, et juhid on samuti magama jäänud ja on vaja neid üles äratada.
(Kasutan siin juhust öelda, et nende ridade kirjutaja hääletaks uhke ja täiesti uue maja ehitamisele sama maalapi peal kus praegu maja on, mis pidi olema tehtav. Ei mingit vanast kastist uue kasti ehitamist, mida vanemad pensionäärid soovivad, vaid korralik ja mõistlik kaasaegne ühiskonna keskus mis meelitab neid kes jäävad maja kasutama.)
Sceptic09 Jul 2011 09:31
The rumour which explains this affair has a vindictive Director working out an irrational grudge against a popular employee doing a good job. If that is true, then this is a clear case of unjustified dismissal -- a serious matter which would end badly for the Director and be expensive for Ehatare. The mere threat of a lawsuit should resolve the issue.
Instead, we are witnessing a public relations campaign which is international in scope. Estonian parliamentarians (Sooäär and Kellam) are meddling into this.
Eerik Purje recommends a neutral arbitrator. I agree. If Rosie is innocent, as her many friends are loudly proclaiming, she should turn to the Court for justice.
Sceptic09 Jul 2011 11:18
Until recently, I was a regular visitor to Ehatare. I had no contact with the Administrator. Nonetheless, I was convinced that Ehatare is a well managed facility because the staff, without exception, is excellent. From the nurses to the cooks to the cleaners, I saw nothing but dedication to good work. It is obvious that the Administrator is particular about hiring good people.
After many years of service, Rosie was inexplicably let go. That is clearly a tragedy. But, was it an injustice?
It's just possible that any administrator at any facility would have terminated an employee under parallel circumstances.
The public relations campaign is an embarrassment to witness, focused as it is on Rosie's, rather than the residents' welfare. It just might end with the replacement of a competent Administrator (a genuine injustice) and a poorly managed Ehatare (a tragedy for the residents).
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:31)
sceptic #210 Jul 2011 16:45
I have had contact with the Administrator and have only good things to say about her. I have also seen her most effectively lead the parents committee at the Estonian Kindergarten years back.

I have also had contact with Rosie on more than one occasion on separate issues. I think she is a fantastic talent and person, but my experience has been less than stellar in the area of tact from her end.

Though I am strongly against the meddlesome petition that was set in motion, if one had been created in support of the Administrator, I would have been tempted to sign.
to the skeptiks10 Jul 2011 18:08
you are korrekt!
time to put together the petition to support the administarator
2 names for certain ... most interesting will be how many residents sign
SP11 Jul 2011 10:29
The petition, and mention of starting addition ones, is a joke! Rosie and her camp are trying to make this into a popularity issue. Diverting the real issue - if one does not do their job, should they be able to stay on because they are popular?

As for support, it is difficult not to support the highly educated administrator and board.

Unfortunately, not all decisions made for the better of the organization will be POPULAR!

I, in fact, can have a rest from Rosie's signing. There are so many gifted Estonians and with all due respect, Rosie has sunk to the bottom of the barrel. Her self-righteous attitude is deplorable. Yes your Highness, I'm not impressed!

Moreover, I've had a number of people advise that they CANNOT remove their names from the petition, although they would like to.

Can the petition site please send out the information on how to remove a name? I certainly would remove my name!

As said in previous comments, let an arbitrator review the issue - and then let the final decision be made.

I extend my support to all of the Ehatare staff who are no doubt dealing with an incredibly stressful work environment due to Rosie and her camp.

I also expend my support to the Board of Directors, who have proved they are competent and diligent, even when it may not be popular.
Toomas Merilo11 Jul 2011 10:55
What I am hearing from both sides are by-and-large testimonials… character witnesses whose collective relevance is dubious.

Sceptic # 2 wrote: [i]I have had contact with the Administrator and have only good things to say about her. I have also seen her most effectively lead the parents committee at the Estonian Kindergarten years back.[i] [Side comment: I know somebody who is a vice-president at a large firm, but the fact that he leads great meetings at a volunteer organization, I have worked with, doesn’t even tempt me to say, he is a great VP!)

Sceptic (#1) wrote: “I had no contact with the Administrator. Nonetheless, I was convinced that Ehatare is … well managed…”

Perhaps I should take the role of sceptic here and ask how, exactly, does this help me judge how good of a manager the administrator is?

On the flip side of the coin, how am I to use all the good things I’ve heard (and know about Rosie) to determine how good of an employee Rosie was overall?

The fact is I can’t… I simply am not privy to all of the relevant information.

A salient question is “Does Rosie’s termination meet the legal threshold required?”

Here again I don’t have an answer and neither do the vast majority (perhaps all) of the EE commentators. The optics of the situation, though, are really horrific for EAK and the administrator.

What is undisputed is that Rosie is loved by the residents (and admired by the vast majority of Esto society), clearly a disadvantage for the administrator.

This is why the situation must be resolved quickly. Delay will cost money. Lawyers cost money. Going to court will take years for resolution and the outcome will be a “throw of the dice.”

Going to arbitration is quicker and cheaper (and possibly less of a “throw of the dice”).

Right now many are outraged at EAK juhatus and the administrator… I am not sure if this is justified, but it is a fact.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Toomas Merilo (16:58), Toomas Merilo (22:31), Toomas Merilo (09:24)
Sceptic to SP11 Jul 2011 12:01
Tell us, SP, how it is that you came to sign the petition supporting Rosie. Were you encouraged or, perhaps, pressured to do so at a choir practice?
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:31), Sceptic (11:18), Sceptic (12:01), to Toomas Merilo (05:43)
Toomas Merilo11 Jul 2011 12:36
What might the reason be, Sceptic, that you write anonymously? Fear of peer pressure?

Don't be afraid; Tarvo Toomes and many others aren't brave; we just aren't cowards.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Toomas Merilo (16:58), Toomas Merilo (22:31), Toomas Merilo (09:24), Toomas Merilo (10:55)
Peeter Toome11 Jul 2011 12:51
I have taken a back seat in this forum as I have an obvious bias in this situation that some may or may not know about. However one can’t sit back when outrageous alegations and comments are flying about. There is no secret camp where supporters gather to rally and drink from the same Kool-Aid fountain, or at least none that I have been invited to. Certainly everyone has opinions on this but to suggest that one cannot formulate their own thoughts and decide on their own whether they want to sign a petition is ridiculous. Were most Canadians either encouraged or perhaps pressured into voting for a Conservative majority? NDP pressure on voters in Quebec must have been the case for their surprising result. I believe neither of the above outcomes were influenced by this nor would I ever be foolish enough to think the Estonian community can’t make their own decisions on similar matters. The community as a whole on what appears to have evolved into two sides all want the best outcome for the residents and I think that this has been clear from the outset. To suggest otherwise is again a poor reflection on everybodies values and our respect for our own parents and relatives that are residents at Ehatare.
SP11 Jul 2011 13:02
To say I was encourage is true.

To say I was pressured (after receiving SEVERAL requests from Rosie's camp, knowing I was on the "to get" list if I didn't sign) is true.

To say that I was completely MISLEAD that this would be used to hurt, stress, badger and defame the staff of Ehatare and ERC board is VERY TRUE.

The petition should not be used to support what appears to be Rosie's real mandate, to get back at the people who put her in her place.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: SP (10:29)
Concerned for all14 Jul 2011 02:25
"The public relations campaign is an embarrassment to witness, focused as it is on Rosie's, rather than the residents' welfare".
Sceptic seems to have missed the fact that 81 out of 94 residents signed their own petition to have Rosie reinstated or are they not capable of deciding what's best for their own welfare? Secondly, the comments on the petition by non-residents are mostly testimonials to how important Rosie's efforts have been to the well being of elderly relatives. The directorship is remiss in giving no weight to the opinion of the residents and their families. Whom ARE they listening to in that case and why?
to sceptic09 Jul 2011 19:45
I believe that the petition wording advocated on behalf of the residents, not only Rosie.
As Eerik Purje wrote - this institution does not belong to the Board members - it belongs to the Estonian community - and the people who built the association and supported it all these years. Let's hope that the Board starts to realize what is good for the residents - after all their petition of 81 signatures is what matters most !
My 2 cents09 Jul 2011 23:35
Kolmas koht kus rahvas võiks oma sõna maksma panna on Peetri Kiriku tuleviku, tõstuki, majanduse, seaduste ja palkamise suhtes. Koguduse liikmed istuvad suud kinni koosolekutel ja siis kaebavad hiljem. Kallid inimesed... julgelt avaldage oma arvamusi!
Sceptic10 Jul 2011 12:01
Rosie is a nice person. I'm not surprised that a large majority of the residents favour her, especially over no one at all. This doesn't mean much. Surely, it does not in any way address the question of unjustified dismissal.
Ehatare, as a matter of fact, belongs to the people who have paid $10 to join the ERC. They elected a Board from among themselves.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:31), Sceptic (11:18)
skeptic also12 Jul 2011 12:11
the board is rigged. noone who has an opposing view can get on the board. in fact, some individuals have been asked not to leave. they don't want roosi supporters joining

the administrator may be nice but she has had it in for roosi for years and has made her job very difficult. roosi in turn has not helped matters either

ehatare needs new staff and blood
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: stupified (09:21)
stupified13 Jul 2011 12:34
I did not write this comment. Perhaps juhatus would like the readers to think there is a conspiracy amongst the commenters.
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Eerik Purje10 Jul 2011 20:16
Asi on võtnud sellise pöörde, et olen sunnitud taas sõna võtma ja vabandama Ehatare administraatori ees, kes minu artikli tõttu on sattunud ebameeldivalt tähelepanu keskpunkti. Mina teda oma artiklis ei puudutanud ega teinud tema suunas ainsatki vihjet. Siinsed kommenteerijad kas teavad minust rohkem või teevad üksteise võidu oletusi. Ma ei taha kellelegi keelata avaldada oma arvamust, kuid oleksin rõõmus, kui me kõik selles delikaatses küsimuses jääksime sündsuse piiridesse ja säilitaksime meelerahu ning soliidsuse.
Toomas Merilo10 Jul 2011 22:31
Noh, Eerik on tõeline härrasmees, kes oma arvamusi avaldades (oma nime all) ise sattus turm-tule alla ja “žentilmanina” on nüüd sunnitud sõna võtma.

Eerikul on õigus, et asi on delikaatne, eriti meie ühiskonnas. Asi on ka delikaatne, sest personaliküsimusi ei arutata ajakirjanduses.

Asi on nüüdseks isegi tehtud populaarsuse võistluseks, kaks kommentaatorit toetas MacFarlane-i poolt palvekirja [i](petition)[i] ning teine avaldas irooniliselt arvamuse, et jah kaks poolt ja ligi 500 vastu.

Siin ma lähen uuesti üle inglise keele peale.

Will nobody come to their senses?
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Toomas Merilo (16:58)
to Toomas Merilo11 Jul 2011 05:43
Are you implying that everyone, including the sceptics, have lost their senses?
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:31), Sceptic (11:18), Sceptic (12:01)
Toomas Merilo11 Jul 2011 09:24
Sceptic has written 4 comments: [i]Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:31), Sceptic (11:18), Sceptic (12:01), to Toomas Merilo (05:43).[i]

Sceptic #2 uses a different IP address.

Sceptic’s last question was [i]“Are you implying that everyone, including the sceptics, have lost their senses?”[i]

The short answer is “no.”
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Toomas Merilo (16:58), Toomas Merilo (22:31)
Tarvo Toomes11 Jul 2011 09:57
Mina enam ei ole Eesti Abistamiskomitee Kanadas juhatuse liige, kuid olin seda ligi 17 aastat. Selle aja vältel oli mul vôimalus aastaid töötada koos Ruth McFarlanega. Oma kogemuste pôhjal vôin öelda, et Ruth McFarlane on väga kompetentne Ehatare Administraator.
Sceptic to Toomas Merilo11 Jul 2011 13:28
You and Tarvo Toomes are the exceptions who post comments under their own names, so; you shouldn't single me out for commenting anonymously. I'm merely typical.
I see no advantage in commenting candidly.
Many years ago, Peeter Bush wrote some articles on historical themes which expressed some accurate but unwelcome facts. Some kooks in our community -- Siil, Maxim, Peter and others -- went berserk and attacked him. I was stunned by that spectacle.
In no way, would I wish to walk in Bush's shoes. I don't believe that's enough to classify me as a coward. You'll let me know if I'm wrong, but; I don't really care because I believe that some of your comments, here, have been shaped under the influence of alcohol.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:31), Sceptic (11:18), Sceptic (12:01), to Toomas Merilo (05:43), Sceptic to SP (12:01)
Rein Andre11 Jul 2011 14:14
Civil war within an endangered species. Good plan. Not.
Toomas Merilo11 Jul 2011 14:29
To: Sceptic

Peeter Bush and my departed friend, Tönu Parming, have both expressed unpopular opinions and at times I have agreed with neither. This has not stopped me from open or candid critique. In fact, disagreement has often reinforced our friendship.

As for having the kooks attack one’s comments? Well great! What is better than having a kook expose their bias or ignorance in public.

However, your underhanded implication that for me to be candid and express myself publicly requires courage-from-the-bottle is as wrong as it is despicable.

In areas where you wish to disagree with me, by all means go “ad hominem” on me and dismiss my posts as the “bottle speaking”… That is the hallmark of true intelligence.

I guess I now see your real rationale for wishing to remain incognito.
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Let it go, Toomas...11 Jul 2011 15:50
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stupified12 Jul 2011 09:21
This comment should never have been deleted by the juhatus. Did they delete it because it was critical of a friend of theirs?? Yes, the truth hurts. Many readers have thought Toomas' ascerbic comments were due to alcohol. Also note, ip addresses are noted when Toomas is involved with a rant.
Sceptic12 Jul 2011 04:57
My last comment was deleted because I called a spade a shovel.
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Maxim13 Jul 2011 02:23
I wish to put it on record that I may initially have taken a critical view to some of Peeter Bush's articles, but that was only during the first year of my being here. Since then-for the past four years I have consistently supported PB and that is on the record for anyone wishing to control the facts. Peeter may have legitimate biases-I certainly do, because some Toronto Estonians are plain cruel and unjustified in their criticism of others, including myself. However, I wish to thank all those people who have supported me during these past years and hopefully Ehatare will come through its current bout of problems as well. Best of luck to all!
Tiin13 Jul 2011 13:42
I truly wonder what Rosie’s job description was. The job description on file.
Rosie worked there for years. Did the actual job description on file change as the years when by? Were duties added to it when the government requested more papers to be filled out?
As social director you spend time with the residents doing enjoyable things. Seniors start to rely on you. They ask for favours. Do you say no? Or do you start to do a little extra? Did Rosie work more hours than her job description? Give more programs than what was in her job description? Probably.
It is my understanding that when Rosie started to feel overwhelmed she asked the administrator for help. Did she get an answer? Did they sit down and look over her job description and modify it to take some pressure off Rosie? For Rosie, her JOB was a social director. Where does one draw the line when you start to care deeply about the residents? It is natural to start to give MORE. Then when you find you are giving too much and you don’t know what to give up – you ask your boss for help!
It is my understanding that she tried to communicate her issues with Ehatare. When it fell on deaf ears she had to do something. She had to tell the people she cared about that she can no longer do everything. Writing a newsletter with those thoughts could not have been easy decision. I believe she was emotionally pushed over the edge. Any GOOD administrator would have tried to work with Rosie for the best solution for her employee (Rosie) and the residents. This current administrator let EVERYONE down
Let’s push for a mediator and view the facts. The community needs to KNOW if it was justifiable cause! Not some petty grievance.
Maxim13 Jul 2011 15:07
This is by far the best comment regarding this whole frightful mess!
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:23)
Anna Nüüm13 Jul 2011 21:54
I wish there were a "like" button here for the comments.
Sceptic14 Jul 2011 09:30
As a sceptic, I'm withholding judgement in the absence of evidence. I'm of the view that there are two sides to every story (while the truth lies elsewhere).
So far, we're only hearing Rosie's side of the story. No one, including the residents, has heard Ehatare's side of the story.
I'm well-acquainted with Rosie and her contribution to Ehatare. I observed her in action over the span of many years. That makes me suspect, all the more, that something very serious occurred to bring about this situation. I don't know what it might be, although, I very much doubt that it's the result of the Administrator's irrational grudge.
I had a parent who was very happy at Ehatare. Good care was the result of a good team-effort. Surely, the Administrator deserves some credit for that.
Toomas Merilo14 Jul 2011 11:51
To: Sceptic (from a new IP address)

First off let me congratulate you for your reasoned comment.

Essentially, we share the view that the “whole truth is not out there” and neither should it be… let a mediator deal with that. Personnel issues should not become part of the public domain.

That being said, we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes. Is EAK just holding fast and waiting for things to go to court and let the chips fly where they may? Or have they considered and acted upon the view (apparently shared by all sides in our community) to pursue a less expensive alternative: mediation.

We’ll see.

I have tried to be impartial in this affair and my signing the petition should be viewed as support and concern for due process; not as taking sides.

And that also being said, my “acerbic” words in other posts are perhaps the result of years of sparring with Maxim and some others. If Sceptic is a friend of mine, I apologise. By the same token, she could have e-mailed be directly as the blue hued “Toomas Merilo” provides a direct link for e-mails to me.

The accusations that Sceptic has made against me (that thankfully were deleted, because I am an identifiable person) were incorrect, though perhaps understandable. While some members of the Women’s Temperance Union may disapprove of Metsaülikool, I am a supporter.

And finally, Sceptic, if your words were meant to hurt me, do feel complete and utter satisfaction, because they did… very deeply.

Nevertheless, I will continue to post under my real name. Don’t ask me why.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Toomas Merilo (16:58), Toomas Merilo (22:31), Toomas Merilo (09:24), Toomas Merilo (10:55), Toomas Merilo (12:36), Toomas Merilo (14:29)
Sceptic to Toomas14 Jul 2011 15:17
You received several phone calls pressuring you to sign the petition, "Ehatare needs Rosie!"
You eventually caved in and signed -- as you say -- to show impartiality.
I also received several calls and refused to take sides. I was then asked what I have against Rosie and told that the Administrator is an (expletive deleted).
If you must know, I'm on the side of the residents.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:30)
Toomas Merilo14 Jul 2011 15:54
To: Sceptic

Again you presume to know something you don't.

I received no phone calls and I did not cave in.

I did, however, receive 7 different e-mails and thought I had signed the petition (having gone through "the motions") and to my surprise found my name not there.

So I signed again and that time it worked.

I'm glad you are for the residents. I believe people on "both sides" are.

and that is the right position.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Toomas Merilo (16:58), Toomas Merilo (22:31), Toomas Merilo (09:24), Toomas Merilo (10:55), Toomas Merilo (12:36), Toomas Merilo (14:29), Toomas Merilo (11:51)
Sceptic to Toomas14 Jul 2011 16:16
Dare I ask, how signing the petition for Rosie establishes your impartiality?
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:30), Sceptic to Toomas (15:17)
Toomas Merilo14 Jul 2011 16:41
Yes, Sceptic, ask by all means.

By the little that I was made aware of, I came (perhaps incorrectly) to the conclusion that something was amiss, that possibly a wrong had been done.

Hence, it seemed only right to support "due process" and some transparency.

That meant signing the petition.
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Toomas Merilo14 Jul 2011 16:56
Actually, Sceptic, this is getting rather tiresome.

Why don't you just phone me (416-699-4233) or email me.

I promise whatever you say will be confidential; I make this covenant here openly.

I understand your reluctance to ID yourself publicly, but contacting me personally shouldn't present any qualms.

Or do you only operate incognito?
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Sceptic to Toomas14 Jul 2011 19:18
Everything that is on my mind has already been openly said.
Where is the profit in a private chat between us -- for me, for you, or for anyone else?
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:30), Sceptic to Toomas (15:17), Sceptic to Toomas (16:16)
Ehatare Watcher14 Jul 2011 19:28
To me. "openly said" does not count if you are hiding behing a pseudonym.

Phone the guy!
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Ehatare Watcher (18:36), Ehatare Watcher (19:06)
Tiin14 Jul 2011 17:11
I asked recently about Rosie’s job description. I started to wonder what the job description is for the administrator. I could not readily find it – seems “manager” came up more often in my searches. Yet, I did find one ad for an administrator. Here is what kind of person they are looking for.
“The Administrator is the senior management personnel in the home, reporting directly to the Director of Operations. The Administrator is responsible to perform all assigned responsibilities in accordance with all legislated and OMNI standards, policies and procedures, which are designed to ensure that each resident receives support, care and services in keeping with his/her needs and preferences, always with a focus on excellance in customer services.

The Administrator shall serve as a coach and mentor to all employees of the home, leading by example to inspire and motivate every individual to recognize the value they bring to the lives of the residents and their colleagues as an Everyday Hero.”
Here is the link to the job posting, just so you know that I did not make this up.
http://www.workopolis.com/EN/j...
Now lets see...make sure people follow government rules, polices and procedure (pushing paper and making sure it is filled in). Making sure someone is looking after the residents (that’s seems obvious). But the best part was the administrator is a “coach” and “mentor” for staff where they “motivate” the employees. Hmmm… MODIVATE, COACH, MENTOR – ok, all those you have commented on how good a job the administrator is doing in taking care of patients means she is at least doing PART of her job. Would she qualify for the above posting? I would hope so – though from the events we are discussing it does not appear so! It also appears that the administrator’s job is not front line job. They are not with the patients like the nurses, and social director are – are they?
I like this Everyday Hero comment. Because I don’t believe people take a job in a senior’s home because of how great the pay is. The people who choose to work there for YEARS do it because they CARE and want to make a difference in the lives of the seniors. And after giving so much it really and truly is wonderful to get some recognition. Did Rosie get recognition at the last meeting? I don't think so.
I end this note with a prayer I saw on blogsite for Nursing Home Administrator
http://nursinghomeguy.blogspot...
Dear Lord,

May we be worthy of the trust that our patients and residents, our administrators, our staff, and our community place in us. May we seek Your wisdom and guidance. Bless each employee; multiply time and energy.

May each and every person here experience Your strength and joy as they complete another day in this journey.

Amen
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Tiin (13:42)
Tiin14 Jul 2011 17:13
I asked recently about Rosie’s job description. I started to wonder what the job description is for the administrator. I could not readily find it – seems “manager” came up more often in my searches. Yet, I did find one ad for an administrator. Here is what kind of person they are looking for.
“The Administrator is the senior management personnel in the home, reporting directly to the Director of Operations. The Administrator is responsible to perform all assigned responsibilities in accordance with all legislated and OMNI standards, policies and procedures, which are designed to ensure that each resident receives support, care and services in keeping with his/her needs and preferences, always with a focus on excellance in customer services.

The Administrator shall serve as a coach and mentor to all employees of the home, leading by example to inspire and motivate every individual to recognize the value they bring to the lives of the residents and their colleagues as an Everyday Hero.”
Here is the link to the job posting, just so you know that I did not make this up.
http://www.workopolis.com/EN/j...
Now lets see...make sure people follow government rules, polices and procedure (pushing paper and making sure it is filled in). Making sure someone is looking after the residents (that’s seems obvious). But the best part was the administrator is a “coach” and “mentor” for staff where they “motivate” the employees. Hmmm… MODIVATE, COACH, MENTOR – ok, all those you have commented on how good a job the administrator is doing in taking care of patients means she is at least doing PART of her job. Would she qualify for the above posting? I would hope so – though from the events we are discussing it does not appear so! It also appears that the administrator’s job is not front line job. They are not with the patients like the nurses, and social director are – are they?
I like this Everyday Hero comment. Because I don’t believe people take a job in a senior’s home because of how great the pay is. The people who choose to work there for YEARS do it because they CARE and want to make a difference in the lives of the seniors. And after giving so much it really and truly is wonderful to get some recognition. Did Rosie get recognition at the last meeting? I don't think so.
I end this note with a prayer I saw on blogsite for Nursing Home Administrator
http://nursinghomeguy.blogspot...
Dear Lord,

May we be worthy of the trust that our patients and residents, our administrators, our staff, and our community place in us. May we seek Your wisdom and guidance. Bless each employee; multiply time and energy.

May each and every person here experience Your strength and joy as they complete another day in this journey.

Amen
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Tiin (13:42), Tiin (17:11)
pealtvaataja14 Jul 2011 17:58
1. EAK juhatus oli tagasihoidlik infoga oma koosolekul kui järgmine päev Roosi sai kinga -. niisugune asi ei juhtu 24 tunniga
2. Kui probleem on et 4nda korruse väikse arvulise elanikude kohta oli palju valitsuse vorme vaja täita - kas mõneks tunniks iga nädal ei saaks kedagi palgata?
3. kui elanikud mõtlevad ~ ühiselt !
Ehatare Watcher14 Jul 2011 18:36
Truly fascinating to follow this topic, which has caught the attention of so many.

From my careful following of the topic, we have one side speaking out, the other side silent. Perhaps the silence is due to the fact that this is how these employment matters are normally dealt with. It's an employer-employee issue. Popularity contests mean nothing in these matters, as who on the outside is really aware of the circumstances? Someone on the other side of the globe?

Let's turn the tables. If we were the employee at issue, I think it's totally bizarre, that we would want our employment matters in the public domain?!? To me, the launching of petition sites exhibits a total lack of judgement. If we can't convince our employer that we are worthy of the job and doing the job, what's the point?
Tiin14 Jul 2011 21:38
I just visited the Ehatare web-site and found a very interesting section in the nursing home section.
“Residents’ Council
The residents’ council meets every 3 months to discuss any concerns and to make suggestions. Family members and all residents are encouraged to attend. Meeting dates are posted on the residents’ bulletin board one week prior to the meeting. Concerns and suggestions are documented, investigated, and responded to in writing by the administrator of Ehatare within 21 days. Both minutes and responses are posted.”
I suppose if there were any issues with Rosie… they would have been brought up at these meetings and dealt with. I understand a meeting took place after Rosie was terminated – it would be interesting to know if the discussion of Rosie’s absence was be brought up. I am not sure who can get access to the posted minutes and responses… but again… will it show issues about Rosie and her ability to do her job? Will it show in any of the reports from all the years gone by any issue about Rosie? Perhaps someone who has the right to view these reports might like to take a look at them? Tell us… what do the residents think right now – after the last meeting where the minutes posted? Where their concerns addressed? Do they have questions about Rosie’s termination?
I do not believe there is a “residents council” for the retirement home since it does not appear to be mandated. Are their meetings? Are those questions and concerns posted? Are they dealt with? Anything negative about Rosie? I doubt it.
“Ehatare Watcher” asks why someone would want to air their employee and employer issue in the open. I can only think it is because they have nothing to fear. Why does Ehatare not want a mediator and deal with this issue expediently? Put an end to this endless speculation. That is truly the issue I wonder about. If they are so sure there was just cause they would be EAGER to prove themselves. I understand fully that they cannot speak openly on a forum like this…. That would leave them open to slander… but a mediator is truly an option that would once and for all end all this discussion.
As for the seniors, that is what most of us are concerned about. FEAR and UNCERTAINTY and SADNESS is not good for seniors. Yet, firing Rosie has caused all those emotions for the seniors IN Ehatare and those waiting on list to get in. They want to understand WHY?
Tell me, is Rosie the ONLY person who left or was fired for “unknown reasons?” Please ask your family members who live there or who want to live there how this uncertainty effectst them! Responsible Board members should deal with this swiftly and clear the air. If they are so certain no wrong was done to Rosie or others – then why postpone a mediator? Delay adversely affects the residents and the image of Ehatare.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Tiin (13:42), Tiin (17:11), Tiin (17:13)
Ehatare Watcher14 Jul 2011 19:06
We are dealing with vulnerable seniors. Let's not forget that the residents are 90-ish. Really old and vulnerable. I would expect that most would sign anything presented to them. I am in fact told that some signed the petition multiple times - obviously having forgetting that they had already signed it.

These are really vulnerable folks. They need and deserve courtesy and respect.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Ehatare Watcher (18:36)
Maxim15 Jul 2011 10:27
Euthanasia basically operates on the same principle. Thanks to democracy it is possible (read enforcible!) to use the almost completely inadequately objective response from the 90+ range group who can be usurped of all rights with the sleight of a signature, but the loophole is protected with the fiercest of democratic reasons. It brings discredit the humanity, but who cares when the problems have reached such a critical stage for those with a personal interest in the outcome.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:23), Maxim (15:07)
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