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Is there any chance that our ETCU will arrange to have some of these kits brought to Toronto?
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0Why would we want to see this symbol of treason and EU corruption here?
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0I agree with you Peter. I find it incredible that people are so willing to legitimize and accept the Euro coming into circulation in Estonia as being a move totally in line with democracy, whilst blatantly overlooking the fact that in every other Euro based country the currency was accepted on the basis of a people's vote. Unless Toomas Merilo can convincingly respond why this commonplace notion of democracy was overlooked in Estonia, I consider him to be siding with people who are responsible for this treasonous move.
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0Maxim wrote:
[i]“I consider [Toomas Merilo] to be siding with people who are responsible for this treasonous move.”[i]
In this case, Maxim has actually composed a coherent sentence. So congratulations to him. As for Maxim playing the aggrieved party and throwing about accusations of treason, well let’s examine the matter.
I would definitely consider any citizen of Estonia, who knowingly worked against the vital interests of Estonia, guilty of treason against Estonia.
If Maxim is a citizen of the Russian Federation, then all is fine. But if Maxim is an Estonian Citizen, then his unbridled hatred for and opposition of everything that is or has been or will be good for Estonia makes [i]him the guilty party.[i]
[i]“I consider [Toomas Merilo] to be siding with people who are responsible for this treasonous move.”[i]
In this case, Maxim has actually composed a coherent sentence. So congratulations to him. As for Maxim playing the aggrieved party and throwing about accusations of treason, well let’s examine the matter.
I would definitely consider any citizen of Estonia, who knowingly worked against the vital interests of Estonia, guilty of treason against Estonia.
If Maxim is a citizen of the Russian Federation, then all is fine. But if Maxim is an Estonian Citizen, then his unbridled hatred for and opposition of everything that is or has been or will be good for Estonia makes [i]him the guilty party.[i]
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0"... if Maxim is an Estonian Citizen, then his unbridled hatred for and opposition of everything that is or has been or will be good for Estonia makes him the guilty party."
convicted by tm!... no trial required
(sounds like tm wants to play komissar in Estonia)
convicted by tm!... no trial required
(sounds like tm wants to play komissar in Estonia)
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0Max - you're going a bit overboard here. I once supported some of your positions but treason? Are you serious? Your recent posts are starting to sound more and more like the hysterical lunatic rants of one Johan Backman.
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0It is a subject of profound significance and a genuine national dilemma that the Euro's arrival has come with such brutal force and without the overwhelming approval of the citizens of Estonia. A national vote would at least have ensured its democratic passage. There is more than a discomforting oversight to the whole fiasco of the Euro, and with powerful global indicators suggesting that the Euro is at the least a highly volatile currency, I fail to see how people are voting for it in a fashion similar to the once color blind madness that top Soviet officials forced the hand of that once oppressive regime's mechanism onto our already abused nation.
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0Take a valium boozo!
The kroon has been pegged to the euro for years and to the German mark before that.
There is no hysteria required.
ie no real change is occuring.
The kroon has been pegged to the euro for years and to the German mark before that.
There is no hysteria required.
ie no real change is occuring.
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0If you really believe that the Estonian Republic will continue to have exactly the same control over the Euro as it had over the kroon and that nothing will change insofar as the rules and regulations concerning the way monetary policy is run in Estonia then you have already missed pretty much all the changes that are about to sweep Estonia in the New Year. The fact that the Kroon has been pegged to the Euro for some time DOES NOT imply that the ground rules for determining monetary policy will continue as they have hitherto after Jan 1st 2011. Who provides you with updates about life here in Estonia? Even tädi Maali knows more about what's happening here that some of you Canadian urban cowboys.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53)
Don't forget to take a couple of valium tablets before to dream another Estonian dream. This comment is one of the most naive I have read all year!
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25)
the IMF sure has many surprises in store
http://www.imf.org/external/np...
http://www.imf.org/external/np...
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0For someone who doesn't know anything, Maxim certainly mouths off a lot.
He just wants to ruffle our feathers. That's why he's always praising everything Russian.
He just wants to ruffle our feathers. That's why he's always praising everything Russian.
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0Most Canadian Estonians have a right to know what's going on in their homeland. I have always felt it my duty to present factual evidence from week to week and I'm pleased that most people here recognize my efforts. Just because it upsets a couple of you doesn't mean anyone should feel discouraged. There is much new and exciting in Estonia and we welcome your knowledge and free attitude to help one little country towards big progress in future. If you want to help, get in touch as soon as possible.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25), Maxim (14:28)
... didn't mean to provoke a barking frenzy.
Please bear in mind, however, that you have never stated a fact here,
You don't know what a fact is.
Please bear in mind, however, that you have never stated a fact here,
You don't know what a fact is.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: casual observer (10:11)
It is always a pleasure to see Maxim stumble, reel, and lurch into yet another area, in which his competence is questionable (please forgive me for being so kind).
Maxim wrote:
“If you really believe that the Estonian Republic will continue to have exactly the same control over the Euro as it had over the kroon and that nothing will change insofar as the rules and regulations concerning the way monetary policy is run in Estonia then you have already missed pretty much all the changes that are about to sweep Estonia in the New Year.”
Despite deep reservations, I will not address the obvious grammatical points raised by this eyesore.
The main point is that Maxim doesn’t understand that Estonia, thankfully and correctly, has a Currency Board System (CBS); that the government’s role in monetary policy is essentially and rightfully nil.
That is how exchange rate stability in a small and vulnerable economy is achieved.
Despite the CBS, Latvia’s currency problems threatened to overflow into ours. And despite a CBS, the differential in loan interest rates, based in EEKs or Euros was substantial… it was much cheaper to borrow in Euros. Hence, many Estonians took out loans in Euros. Had the Latvian crisis forced devaluation of the EEK, the loan holders’ liabilities would have increased.
Joining the Euro mitigates these as well as other kinds of problems and, yes, is a stimulus for direct foreign investment. Despite Maxim’s protests, Estonia has never been as rich, in absolute terms, as it is now. Finland too, has never been as rich as it is today.
Maxim wrote:
“If you really believe that the Estonian Republic will continue to have exactly the same control over the Euro as it had over the kroon and that nothing will change insofar as the rules and regulations concerning the way monetary policy is run in Estonia then you have already missed pretty much all the changes that are about to sweep Estonia in the New Year.”
Despite deep reservations, I will not address the obvious grammatical points raised by this eyesore.
The main point is that Maxim doesn’t understand that Estonia, thankfully and correctly, has a Currency Board System (CBS); that the government’s role in monetary policy is essentially and rightfully nil.
That is how exchange rate stability in a small and vulnerable economy is achieved.
Despite the CBS, Latvia’s currency problems threatened to overflow into ours. And despite a CBS, the differential in loan interest rates, based in EEKs or Euros was substantial… it was much cheaper to borrow in Euros. Hence, many Estonians took out loans in Euros. Had the Latvian crisis forced devaluation of the EEK, the loan holders’ liabilities would have increased.
Joining the Euro mitigates these as well as other kinds of problems and, yes, is a stimulus for direct foreign investment. Despite Maxim’s protests, Estonia has never been as rich, in absolute terms, as it is now. Finland too, has never been as rich as it is today.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Toomas Merilo (12:15)
Thank you for your comment Toomas. I am grateful for your insights in the subject, and there is no question at all that you have done your homework. However, I am not convinced that Toomas really has a wall-to-wall grasp on that actual quality of life in Estonia and whether our politicians have always made decisions in the nation's best interests. Estonia is a very small country which is subject to dramatic social and political fluctuations of which observers from more stable nations really have no idea about. I fear that our friend Toomas falls into that category, otherwise his observations would be acknowledged in absolute terms and counter opinions would pale in comparison. Let's hope that Estonia's future is as big and bright as Toomas suggests it to be, because the past has been too hard on us. And let's forget the unforgettable lesson that who doesn't remember their past won't know a thing about the future. Toomas' past is a bright and positive as the sun that shines through our burnishing g-strings!
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25), Maxim (14:28), Maxim (14:33)
Poor Maxim.
Again he comes here to tell us that he's the only one in the know -- and leaves it at that.
Again he comes here to tell us that he's the only one in the know -- and leaves it at that.
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0And your evidence please for such a claim?
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25), Maxim (14:28), Maxim (14:33), Maxim (07:41), Maxim (13:05)
Toomas-why then is the currency board going to the wall at the end of this year 2010? Please give us all a little insight what is coming in the board's place and why is it necessary to change? I will tell the readers that control of Estonia's finances will come from Brussels and Estonia will no longer have any autonomous rights, because that is the cornerstone of Euro policy. Toomas is stretching his luck too far once again as he did when he predicted that the sky is the limit as far as Estonia's economic miracle is concerned, of which he now refuses to give us an explanation as to why things didn't go the way he originally predicted.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25), Maxim (14:28), Maxim (14:33), Maxim (07:41), Maxim (13:05), Maxim (13:07)
"that the government’s role in monetary policy is essentially and rightfully nil".
This is the biggest load of trash that has ever been published, Toomas. The government of Estonia has done everything in her power to steer Estonia's monetary policy, and any citizen living here will tell you exactly the same thing. I am surprised that you believe such rubbish yourself!
This is the biggest load of trash that has ever been published, Toomas. The government of Estonia has done everything in her power to steer Estonia's monetary policy, and any citizen living here will tell you exactly the same thing. I am surprised that you believe such rubbish yourself!
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25), Maxim (14:28), Maxim (14:33), Maxim (07:41), Maxim (13:05), Maxim (13:07), Maxim (13:12)
Maxim wrote: [i]“Toomas is stretching his luck too far once again as he did when he predicted that the sky is the limit as far as Estonia's economic miracle is concerned, of which he now refuses to give us an explanation as to why things didn't go the way he originally predicted.”[i]
First off, unlike Maxim, I do not make predictions on these pages. Maxim is obviously mixing me up with himself. I guess the stress induced due to his multitude of vacuous predictions not having come true takes its toll.
Maxim later wrote: [i]”The government of Estonia has done everything in her power to steer Estonia's monetary policy, and any citizen living here will tell you exactly the same thing.”[i]
How wonderful of Maxim! Now I don’t have to talk to anybody but him, since he knows what anybody in living in Estonia will tell me. Just wonderful!
As for Maxim’s total inability to grasp even High School Economic concepts, well I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Understanding concepts presupposes a facility with language that Maxim has repeatedly shown does not exist in his case.
Consequently, for him to distinguish between elementary concepts like “Monetary Policy” and “Fiscal Policy”, or Money Supply (M0 and M1 in particular), or a Currency Board system really is too much to ask for and shouldn’t be a puzzle.
But what is a puzzle, though, is that he insists on crowing about everything that shows his remarkable ignorance. In this, however, he is truly outstanding.
First off, unlike Maxim, I do not make predictions on these pages. Maxim is obviously mixing me up with himself. I guess the stress induced due to his multitude of vacuous predictions not having come true takes its toll.
Maxim later wrote: [i]”The government of Estonia has done everything in her power to steer Estonia's monetary policy, and any citizen living here will tell you exactly the same thing.”[i]
How wonderful of Maxim! Now I don’t have to talk to anybody but him, since he knows what anybody in living in Estonia will tell me. Just wonderful!
As for Maxim’s total inability to grasp even High School Economic concepts, well I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Understanding concepts presupposes a facility with language that Maxim has repeatedly shown does not exist in his case.
Consequently, for him to distinguish between elementary concepts like “Monetary Policy” and “Fiscal Policy”, or Money Supply (M0 and M1 in particular), or a Currency Board system really is too much to ask for and shouldn’t be a puzzle.
But what is a puzzle, though, is that he insists on crowing about everything that shows his remarkable ignorance. In this, however, he is truly outstanding.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Toomas Merilo (12:15), Toomas Merilo (23:28)
Just the same old diatribe we have always come to expect from Toomas. Interesting how Peter manages to say something completely relevant and accurate about how Estonian's feel regarding their politics, but Toomas is so way off the mark his blue collar elitist bemoanings which remind me more of the wild outbursts of Jüri Mõis during his often time rantings and ravings that drew blood instead of cheers, than the thinking of a level-headed and highly empathetic Estonian patriot. And, of course, your efforts at sarcasm are very polished indeed, Toomas!
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25), Maxim (14:28), Maxim (14:33), Maxim (07:41), Maxim (13:05), Maxim (13:07), Maxim (13:12), Maxim (13:17)
Toomas, if you are so completely convinced that the overwhelming majority of Estonians support the Euro, can you please explain how in your mind 52% support has suddenly become the incredibly high percentage that we all expected, and is not the sobering reality that just under half of the Estonian population is AGAINST the Euro? I would like to hear a reasonable response, but I suspect I will get the usual sarcastic response that has become the preferred "visiitkaart" to use when you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25), Maxim (14:28), Maxim (14:33), Maxim (07:41), Maxim (13:05), Maxim (13:07), Maxim (13:12), Maxim (13:17), Maxim (23:15), Maxim (05:59)
This is treason plain and simple. Estonia was a independent nation with control over it's borders and army. In a few years, the EU empire has taken away most of what we Estonians, in Estonia and other parts of the world, have fought long and hard to achieve.
When the EU collapses, those Estonians who openly supported the undermining of national sovreignty should be given a fair trial and if convicted, should be stripped of their citizenship and deported. We made a mistake when former communists where not tried for treason, lets not make this same mistake again.
When the EU collapses, those Estonians who openly supported the undermining of national sovreignty should be given a fair trial and if convicted, should be stripped of their citizenship and deported. We made a mistake when former communists where not tried for treason, lets not make this same mistake again.
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0Thank you Peter. I think you have summarized the situation very accurately. Most Estonians in Estonia who are in the know have expressed concern that Freemasonry has created a safety zone where former communists can now continue to wield power and climb the social ladder whilst feeling the protection of belonging to one of the world's most formidable and evil organizations imaginable. The fact that voting (in principal) in favor of joining the EU (let alone succumbing to the evils of a common currency such as the Euro) is working against common national interests because it first and foremost overrides everything said about the subject in the National Constitution of Estonia. I dare these people who agreed to Estonia becoming a member EU state and who now claim legitimate rights to join the Euro zone that they are NOT in any way departing from the national interest. I think that from all that Vello Leito, Martin Helme, Ivar Raig, Jüri Toomepuu, Indrek Neivelt and many other distinguished Estonian identities have said that we should be very careful regarding people who have sold Estonian independence without a single shred of concern that national independence is the primary culprit to suffer. Show me where I have failed to speak up for a free and independent Estonia and I am willing to hold hands and bat in court for those who genuinely should be dragged there on grounds of national treason!
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25), Maxim (14:28), Maxim (14:33), Maxim (07:41)
While I totally agree that there are many individuals who are liberals, communists, freemasons and others who are dedicated to destroying our civilization, most of the Estonians who support the EU and want Estonia to become a province again do so not because they are evil but because they have an ingrained slave mentality that comes from 700 years of occupation.
Few of these people believed that Estonia could ever be free and as soon as independence was achieved, they could not handle this freedom and started conspiring to make Estonia a province of the EU. They do not understand the importance of the kroon and would rather see the euro being used so they can go back to being obedient slaves and serve their foreign masters.
Few of these people believed that Estonia could ever be free and as soon as independence was achieved, they could not handle this freedom and started conspiring to make Estonia a province of the EU. They do not understand the importance of the kroon and would rather see the euro being used so they can go back to being obedient slaves and serve their foreign masters.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Peter (12:14)
In this case Peter, I beg to differ with you. Unfortunately too many Estonian politicians are astute enough to know which flag to fly when, and frankly it is a grave mistake to imagine that the kind of Patriotism practiced in Toronto in any way, shape of form resembles the kind that is expressed on a daily basis in Estonia. This is simply not the case! You are being very generous in your assertions regarding political motives, but there is still too much corruption here in Estonia that scars and hinders political transparency rising above the daily criminal element that functions in every field of Estonian life. Just follow the daily news with regard to objectivity in the 6-month leadup to currency change over and it is more than clear that things are happening here that do not happen (let alone are supposed to happen at all) in a free and democratic nation. Dog eat dog mentality rules as ruthlessly as ever in this neck of the woods, Peter.
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0Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Maxim (02:53), Maxim (14:25), Maxim (14:28), Maxim (14:33), Maxim (07:41), Maxim (13:05), Maxim (13:07), Maxim (13:12), Maxim (13:17), Maxim (23:15)
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