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There are too many left-wing journalists and politicians still pushing the same old barrow, claiming victory for the left both in a cold war sense and in local politics. I think Russia knows it still has lots of friends left in the west and doesn't really need to fret too much on this issue.
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0Can you name a left-wing journalist or politician "still pushing the same old barrow" claiming victory for the cold war?
Bet you can't, you old dunce.
Bet you can't, you old dunce.
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0Even Putin doesn't believe that his side won the cold war. He called the collapse of the Soviet Union the catastrophe of the 20th century. Maxim seems to agree.
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0Mihkelson is not an "Estonian member of parliament", as stated. He is a member of the Estonian parliament. There is a difference.
Sloppy writing betrays sloppy thinking. That can be, as LL states, "dangersoius".
Sloppy writing betrays sloppy thinking. That can be, as LL states, "dangersoius".
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0I believe that you actually meant to say, "sloppy writing betrays clear thinking".
While we're on the subject of sloppy writing and sloppy thinking, I must say that Jürgen Kasesalu sounds a whole lot like Maximahv. His comment is vague and doesn't say anything specific. It only hints at something commonplace or inane.
While we're on the subject of sloppy writing and sloppy thinking, I must say that Jürgen Kasesalu sounds a whole lot like Maximahv. His comment is vague and doesn't say anything specific. It only hints at something commonplace or inane.
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0Though interesting, this isn't up to LL's usual high standard.
In particular, the assertion that: "Most of the battles took place on the territory of Estonians" just doesn't square with accounts of the Great Northern War that I've read. There were very significant battles on Estonian (and also Livonian) territory, especially early in the war: repeatedly at Narva and Tartu and environs (culminating in the pointless depopulation and destruction of the town - in 1704, an anniversary that seems to have passed w/o commemoration), naval battles on Peipsi and off "Pernu", etc, but also very significant battles on and around Lake Lagoda, up and down the Neva, off in Poland and Lithuania and the final Swedish campaign that basically went south from Lithuania, more or less along the Dnieper to its disastrous end at Poltava, in 1709, in southern Ukraine, from which the defeated Swedish army retreated home via Turkey(!).
As for the plague - that had been wiping out northern European populations for decades before the war and continued for decades thereafter. No doubt the war did its part to help the bacillus on its way.
Nor does it appear quite right to ascribe "blatant realization of geo-political ambitions" to Peeter Suur. Neither he nor any of his contemporaries would have understood that vocabulary, embroiled as they were in their dynastic and schismatic rivalries.Take-overs of "foreign" territory as war booty was routine business and utterly unremarkable. As were many strategic maneuvers that we would call "atrocities".
History, recent or otherwise, is an endlessly colourable canvas. Everyone has the right to it and no part of it is (or should be) "sacred" or "holy", so long as we get the basics right without introducing exaggerations and distortions founded upon our own "modern" ideas.
In particular, the assertion that: "Most of the battles took place on the territory of Estonians" just doesn't square with accounts of the Great Northern War that I've read. There were very significant battles on Estonian (and also Livonian) territory, especially early in the war: repeatedly at Narva and Tartu and environs (culminating in the pointless depopulation and destruction of the town - in 1704, an anniversary that seems to have passed w/o commemoration), naval battles on Peipsi and off "Pernu", etc, but also very significant battles on and around Lake Lagoda, up and down the Neva, off in Poland and Lithuania and the final Swedish campaign that basically went south from Lithuania, more or less along the Dnieper to its disastrous end at Poltava, in 1709, in southern Ukraine, from which the defeated Swedish army retreated home via Turkey(!).
As for the plague - that had been wiping out northern European populations for decades before the war and continued for decades thereafter. No doubt the war did its part to help the bacillus on its way.
Nor does it appear quite right to ascribe "blatant realization of geo-political ambitions" to Peeter Suur. Neither he nor any of his contemporaries would have understood that vocabulary, embroiled as they were in their dynastic and schismatic rivalries.Take-overs of "foreign" territory as war booty was routine business and utterly unremarkable. As were many strategic maneuvers that we would call "atrocities".
History, recent or otherwise, is an endlessly colourable canvas. Everyone has the right to it and no part of it is (or should be) "sacred" or "holy", so long as we get the basics right without introducing exaggerations and distortions founded upon our own "modern" ideas.
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0I apologize, my naieveness is not meant to criticize but this article was a bit confusing to me.
I was curious, who are the "forgers and re-writers of history". I am still a bit new to Eesti Elu but is this an official statement from the Estonian Central Council? And is it a prediction, or is it true? Thanks for stirring the emotions and fear up.
I understood Jürgen Kasesalu's comments, and actually, I didn't understand his comments to be vague.
I was curious, who are the "forgers and re-writers of history". I am still a bit new to Eesti Elu but is this an official statement from the Estonian Central Council? And is it a prediction, or is it true? Thanks for stirring the emotions and fear up.
I understood Jürgen Kasesalu's comments, and actually, I didn't understand his comments to be vague.
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