A critique
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Anonymous03 Jun 2008 13:06
Ummm . . .there is: The Baltic Times. A great little newspaper that casts a wide but relevant journalistic net.
Errr...03 Jun 2008 14:18
Yes, but unless you pay their exorbitant subscription price, you cant get beyond the first para. Granted, that is a way to ensure profitability, but.... give me Baltlantis any day over BT for news and humour!
Uh-huh03 Jun 2008 15:04
I guess you get what you pay for.
Anonymous03 Jun 2008 15:42
This is a thoughtful and thought-provoking article with much truth in it. Thank-you, Justine Petrone.
Essentially, you are saying that Estonia needs some articulate voices that can communicate to the world in idiomatic English. Yes, we have Ilves doing that job very well. Yet, where are the rest of the well-educated väliseestlased who could fill the ranks behind him? Why are they not being utilized?
Maxim.04 Jun 2008 08:47
You're first in line, and everyone's hanging to see what you can do. But since you refuse to do anything worthwhile except sit and wonder why no one else does anything, you sit here and make trouble for trouble's sake. I have no doubt that you are talented, and I find it very strange that no one has picked up on how much benefit can be had from a väliseestlane like you.
Anonymous04 Jun 2008 13:18
Most of the English web sites in Estonia could stand a bit of polish. Why isn't the pool of v"aliseestlased tapped for this purpose? Because the general feeling is that what they have is good enough.
Anonymous04 Jun 2008 16:56
Good communicators in English are hard to find because the people that can do it are tied down with jobs and families. This kind of thing should happen over the internet but for some reason it doesn't.
another unaccessible forum05 Jun 2008 08:04
Eesti Elu should be sending an investigative reporter to this conference to inform us of future international policies which will be affecting Eesti and Canada. If their current reporters are busy, maybe Herr Merilo could attend on behalf of EE.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar...
Anonymous05 Jun 2008 10:30
Maxim seems to think that all of the people posting under the default name, Anonymous, are Toomas Merilo. He's dead wrong. I'd bet that none of them are. Toomas identifies himself when he posts. Also, he can't see any point to trying to engage an irrational person in a rational way.
to the one trick pony06 Jun 2008 10:02
once again you are wrong !
many european people who love their country are opposed to the bureaucratization, globalization and elimination of nation states which the european union supports

lets hope the Irish people vote 51% (or more) for Ireland next week !

and not all of Herr Merilo's posts are under his own name ...
re the forum identified, TM has previously made comment on writer who covers this event
Maxim.07 Jun 2008 13:32
Let's hope the Irish give everyone else in the EU the biggest kick up the intellectual arse that can possibly be imagined. I am appalled by the number of Estonian compatriots who are supporters of EU politics. It is abundantly clear to all by now that the EU is NOT about promoting national rights and individual integrity. It's all about taking a massive European landmass and subordinating people's to it's own political will. The notion of a common Constitution and currency should be enough to make our hair stand on end. But Merilo et al continue to be our most staunch promoters of EU politics, and as far as they are concerned, there is absolutely no other alternative but the EU. The fact that it flies in the constitutional face of the Estonia doesn't move these people one iota. It's appauling to witness this kind of treacherous behaviour, and having it pass as some weird form of democracy. And what's more-these people are kooks-to-boot!!
why bark at us, Maxim?07 Jun 2008 13:47
85% of kodueestlased support EU membership. Go bark at them.
eestlane07 Jun 2008 16:52
if 85% of eestlased support the eu, why did the eesti valitsus not follow thru with a referendum on the lisbon constitution as was initially promised ?
polling is often carried thru to support a political agenda ... and polls carried out only in large cities may not reflect all opinions do you believe that the riigikogulased who appear to be looking only for assorted financial benefits (cheap car leases, apartments, land) are the best people to direct eesti's future ?
of course the eu with its ubiquitious bureaucracy looks like a gold mine for them
not holding a referendum also goes against president Ilves' own position as per his web page ...
"Ainult meile endile, meile kõigile, kuulub privileeg ja samas kohustus otsustada, kuidas me edasi läheme ja millise Eesti me oma lastele pärandame."
irish pollsters07 Jun 2008 17:11
Anonymous07 Jun 2008 17:59
This doesn't answer the basic question, Maxim -- why are you barking at us?
We have no control over this.
Go bark at the Estonians.
Tell them that you are the new Messiah, ready to lead them to the promised land -- Maximahvistan.
Maxim.08 Jun 2008 06:06
Consider this; you are the only one, Anonymous, who thinks my comments are meant as a crude form of barking. No one else thinks so, because they have the sense to understand what intellectual passions are all about. They are not about barking. My concern about the EU being the VERY BEST outcome for Estonian interests has always been just that, and only that. My concern is that Estonia gets the best deal possible. As a member state of the EU is am completely sure that Estonia is having to pay a much more considerably price than she should be expected to do. I don't think I am the only one who holds that opinion. I believe in the continuity of the Estonian Republic as was instigated in 1918. Why people consider that a continuation of the very same Constitution and legal foundation is not possible today, is something that our leading Politicians steer clear of at all costs, from the President downwards. Yet no one, not even my critics can tell anyone what is wrong with the 1919 Constitution of the Republic of Estonia, or why it is absolutely necessary for to tow the line Brussels spells out clearly for Europe. Only the Irish are democratic enough to consider the interests and political freedom of their subjects. Everyone else in the EU tells their subordinates to go to hell; we do the decision-making here, not you! And my critics call that democracy!
Anonymous08 Jun 2008 15:18
We can appreciate that your handicaps are a barrier to understanding the stuff that you like to bark about here. It would be useful, nonetheless, to try to read the article in this issue of EE about Päts and the original period of independence. If you could only learn to read and think, then you might also understand the conditions and options before Estonia during the last years of the USSR and the first years of Estonia's re-independence. In sum, Estonia is playing the hand that it got. It's not a perfect hand, but Estonia is playing it well, perhaps not perfectly. I can't say.
I can say that you don't come here with honest intentions. You are not our expert in Estonia who can tell it like it is. You are semi-literate, mentally troubled, and crippled with a grudge against us, possibly with justification. You have no fans here. Whatever gave you that idea? It may be yet further proof of mental illness.
Anonymous08 Jun 2008 20:58
Dogs bark at the moon. At least it's real.
Maxim barks at the 1919 constitution, something in his own mind.
Maxim.09 Jun 2008 01:05
As usual you're the only one barking up a fallen tree. One wonders why you bother, and your last posting proves a level on incoherency and illogical thinking that go together with the rest of your nasty and inhospitable mannerisms.
Maxim.09 Jun 2008 07:25
Now there's one piece of honesty if I did see it-"I can't say". No you can't, because you don't even know enough about Estonian history to come here and convince me or others of the difference between the conditions surrounding Estonia's 1918 Independence, and the second independence of 1991. There happens to be an incredible divide between them. Firstly, since Russia was in such incredible turmoil in the Bolshevik war, Estonia managed to get a much better deal out of Russia, and the Constitution is a brilliant example of how much foothold Estonia won in terms of concessions from Russia. These kind of concessions are unheard of in this present day and age, especially with Estonia's joining the EU. The only thing that interested Estonia at the time was to put herself in a supposedly different political and cultural sphere of influence to the one she had experienced during the past 60 years. However, Estonia ended up on such a poor footing as to lose far more independence than the original constitution called into being, because the only thing that really mattered to Estonian leaders was their own political careers, and some kind of acknowledgement from Europe that things may be safer under their wing than hitherto was the case. Nevertheles, it is the pursuit of common policy that has compromised Estonia and other EU states beyond their long-term capacity to continue as national states. The Lisbon agreement, which has caused so much furor currently in the forthcoming Irish referendum calls for such things as much freer and flexible immigration laws, as well as a change of language law to protect minorities within the EU. I don't need to spell out the ramifications of that one for you. However, I am perfectly convinced that had Estonia continued as an independent state in 2004, she wouldn't have had any problem dispensing with that law. Now there is no other choice but to do what is in the best interests of common EU policy. If independence were a guarantee for EU members, then Ireland would hardly be getting the flack that she is currently receiving from the EU Foreign Minister. All in all common policy doesn't seem to be a safeguard for individual freedom and national prosperity for the long term, but Estonians took the bait and are having to learn about things the hard way.
agree!09 Jun 2008 13:57
Maxim, I've never actually seen the problem from that angle, but it does kinda shed much more light on what you're saying here. Thanks for the clear and articulate response.
to agree09 Jun 2008 16:18
What problem? From what angle?

Maxim. You just can't stop yourself from advertising your stupidity.
to agree09 Jun 2008 16:29
If "the clear and articulate" Maxim "kinda shed more light on what he is saying here", Proua Puusaag, the editor of EE would be delighted to print his thoughts.

That will never happen and everyone, apart from Maxim, knows why.
agree!09 Jun 2008 23:05
Why avoid confessing to understanding and agreeing with Maxim about the problems concerning Estonia, instead of attacking him and conveniently avoiding admitting that you fully support current EU politics? His point about the constitution and resultant changes over time is absolutely correct! If you don't agree, then let's here your side of the story please.
Daniel Schaer08 Jun 2008 02:46
Justin thanks for the article, but I think that you are being unfair. The Estonian MFA has one person who is responsible for all of the English content on the website. I think that the person is doing a great job. Most of the press release are translated the next and are sent out immediately to a mailing list (If you would like to join the list please contact the press and information department). A new website will be available soon and that should help improve the posting time. Before you start complaining about the availability of English information on Estonian websites, I would suggest you have a look at the sites of Polish, Lithuanian and Latvian institutions. I believe that we are doing a good job.
Let it go, Anonymous09 Jun 2008 12:47
You are almost as crazy as Maxim for trying to argue with a guy who says you are "barking up a fallen tree".
Never has someone so stupid thought that he is so smart.
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