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M23 Feb 2007 09:43
How utterly naive!
To think that any European government would put historical Soviet human rights violations at the top of any agenda, above economics and the realpolitik, is monumentally absurd and a gross excercise in futility.
While you pawns of the real Cold Warriors natter on about injustice and such, the rest of the world will move on without blinking because your solution to rehabilitating our history is to simply lash out with blame and destory/move monuments: how crass and ignorant. If this editorial represents the majority view of Estonians, we should prepare to be ignored for several more decades.
Hey Maxim!25 Feb 2007 07:37
Tell us why people who think they're the only ones who know how to run a country are driving cabs or cutting hair.
M25 Feb 2007 07:54
Does this gratify your hate issues?
Or perhaps you have jealousy issues because this is your only outlet: no one listens because all you spew is venom? Angry that you're less than an armchair pundit?
This delusional Maxim witchunt is both comical and disturbing.
Maxim here.25 Feb 2007 11:19
M writes a perfectly legitimate criticism and I cop another bucketful! However, I think you're right-my critics are completely delusional and want a return to the Mc Carthy era as soon as it is realistically possible. I'm happy to see alternate opinions, and I'm sure so are most decent and honest Canadian Estonians. Keep up the good work my friends.
delusional whitchunt (sic.)25 Feb 2007 14:21
If the "whitchunt" (sic.) is delusional, why complain? It's all in your head.

You need some help Maxim: start by getting a dictionary, but don't stop there.
M25 Feb 2007 21:17
An attack based on a misspelled word? Not surprising.
Didn’t you learn a lesson when your last posts were removed for intellectual thuggery? Or is that giving too much credit?
Maxim.25 Feb 2007 23:26
It seems that our opposition imagines they always have more rights than we do, because they have a severe attitude problem. Notice the harsh criticism and sarcasm; and downright unacceptable social language they employ in order to lift their morale. I've never taken them seriously, and neither should you. They would prefer to silence us, but freedom to uphold free speech wherever instances of intellectual terrorism present themselves has always been our calling. I believe our opposition will soon see this intrinsic value and being to respect us a bit more. Best...
observer26 Feb 2007 11:50
Not the time of Maxim's post: 25
Feb 2007 23:26
This would suggest that Maxim is currently in our timezone.
Hmmm.. I did see EK at Laulge Kaasa.
M26 Feb 2007 12:51
What are you going to do? Hunt him down?
Maybe you should try some medication to control that overactive hypothalamus.
trouble ahead25 Feb 2007 18:13
Maxim doesn't own a dictionary and even if he did he'd say it's wrong. I remember how he told us that we have forfeited our right to return to Estonia. He gnawed on that like a dog on a bone because he didn't know what 'forfeit' means. Now we can see that he doesn't know what 'delusional' means. Get ready to be barked at.
is Maxim a masochist?26 Feb 2007 06:03
If you don't like ridicule, why beg for it?
M26 Feb 2007 07:28
I would be more concerned as to how that ridicule reflects your own lack of thought. Other than character assassination, I haven’t read a single developed argument or legitimate comment from your ilk!

For once, try to contribute to the debate rather than killing the discussion with anti-intellectual ad homonym attacks.
Maxim26 Feb 2007 08:57
Kahjuks meie kriitikud sõna otseses mõttest NÕUAVAD seda et me alistuksime nende igale soovile, paluksime neid LAHKELT enne kui mõtleme üldse siia midagi kribistada, ja parem oleks kui meid üldse poleks olemas. Õnneks on kõik vastupidi, ja meil on rõõm et VABADUS olla ja tegutseda on kõigile võrdväärselt kättesaadav omadus. Kasutame seda oma parema äranägemisel. Päikest!
to Maxim26 Feb 2007 14:00
Confused bluster, strident boasting, and wounding insults invite contemptuous jeers. This rule applies to everyone.
A dull-witted megalomaniac can think that an exception should apply in his case because he genuinely knows it all and he is always right. He can think that he deserves unquestioning agreement. When contradicted, he can be surprised and think that an angry response is justified. He can think anything that he wants; but he can't do it clearly or logically. That's why he called a megalomaniac.

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M26 Feb 2007 14:13
I have yet to read any thing that this Maxim has written that would indicate any desire for unquestioning agreement.
Perhaps you should look in the mirror: you have just described yoursleves! Maxim may have some unique positions, however, he does not use threatening and offensive language as you and your Checka-esque friends do.

I have yet to hear a coherent thought about the inital discussion. All we're getting from you is a string of vulgar, half-baked ad homonym attacks.
Maxim.26 Feb 2007 14:16
To begin with, I have only lent my support to M's commentary. In what way does that represent megalomania? Where else in this list of comments do you see evidence of megalomania? Have you ever analyzed your own style of writing and comments? I don't think it should come as any surprise for someone to tell you that what you see wrong in other people amounts to pretty much the same in your own writing. But don't take that personally-it's your style, and we all accept it. So that should make you happy at least. Best...
Anonymous26 Feb 2007 19:00
only a half-wit wouldn't recognize the identity of Maxim and M
Maxim wants respect27 Feb 2007 05:38
Can anyone help him out?
M27 Feb 2007 05:55
Respect is reserved for those who contribute to the discussion not those who disrupt with name calling and bullying. Again, this is not a school yard.

I find it sadly ironic that the tone taken by these people is eerily reminiscent of that which snuffed out liberty in Estonia over sixty years ago. The vicious rush to silence any and all voices with divergent views is disturbing.
Anonymous27 Feb 2007 07:22
Can anyone point to a comment about Maxim that he didn't work hard for?

It seems that he gets all the respect that he deserves.
Maxim.27 Feb 2007 06:15
In February 1919, a year after the first Estonian Republic was proclaimed, the inaugural Estonian Military parade was organized at Vabaduse Plats. In order to make sufficient room for the parade the statue of Peter 1 was removed. It should be noted that the proceedings for its removal went remarkably smoothly, and indicate the credit due to the Government of the day. This should be a sufficient enough precedent to organize something similar for Tõnismäe.
M27 Feb 2007 06:47
Interesting. But I fail to see how the removal of a statue of a Czar two years after the revolution is relevant to the current situation.
to Maxim27 Feb 2007 09:00
You have occasionally slapped our community with painful insults (do you need a more specific reminder?) and never have you shown any hint that you may have overstated something that you should retract, even by a small degree.
Readers have reacted in a predictably human manner and you, anticipating respect, are shocked and indignant. Like a madman, you do the same thing repeatedly, expecting a different reaction.
When you are not insulting us, you are reminding us that you are the only one who understands anything. The incoherent rant with which you open this particular series is typical of your way of "advancing the argument", as you like to phrase it. A logical response to it would involve a lot of work disentangling non sequiturs from implausible tacit assumptions. Why bother? It's not as if you've ever changed your mind when faced with fact or reason.
In short, you are a persistent, embarrassing nuisance and everyone but the infamous Peter would like to wish you good luck in Estonia so that you might stop harassing us.
Maxim.27 Feb 2007 12:18
If you revisit my comments, you will find that I have retracted and apologized for things that I have said. I think it is grossly unfair of you to not admit elementary truths, but I understand why not telling the truth is part of your overall agenda. I can't see anything offensive in this round of comments, except for the usual fielding of stupid responses on the part of my critics. However, in one final comment concerning this article;it seems that our government has conveniently played itself into a corner concerning this law. It was just a complex a situation in 1919 to remove the statue of Peter 1, but they still managed against all the pressure of the Bolsheviks who were still very much conducting their affairs in the early years of Independent Estonia. In fact..up until 1923. True-Russian agitprop has turned Estonia into a toothless tiger, but that's a poor man's excuse for not wanting to resolve the issue once and for all.
to Maxim27 Feb 2007 14:47
Revisiting your past comments isn't exactly the work of a day, so I'll have to ask for some help here. Could you be a bit more specific about which insults you now regret. If you can direct us to your retraction in the EE archives, I will send you a prompt and sincere apology.

I'm hoping that your retraction will include some which have sent me into a blind rage, such as: (1) 'väliseestlased' are Nazi sympathizers, if not worse, (2) Estonian women "entertained" German troops during the occupation, implying that they were sluts, (3) Estonia's culture is the product of the 10% Orthodox minority, implying that the 80% Lutheran majority is Estonia's "white trash". (Just F.Y.I., as a Baptist, I have no emotional stake in either faith.)

I'm anxious to hear from you, Maxim. You should step forth boldly because all of us have sinned against others and, with an expression of genuine remorse, all of us are entitled to forgiveness.
Maxim.28 Feb 2007 06:35
Judging from the tone of your voice and the subtle rudeness of your approach, I think that if there is anything further for me to confess, I'll confess it to my priest, and not to you. There would be every likelihood I'm not going to get anything other than a continuation of your accusations with or without my "homework" being done. Better luck next time.
to Maxim28 Feb 2007 13:00
Above, you write that, "If you revisit my comments, you will find that I have retracted and apologized for things that I have said." You can prove it by referring us to one.

There is no rudeness here and no one is asking for a confession. You've changed the topic, as you often do when you find yourself being backed toward a corner. When there, you say "better luck next time" as an expression of obduracy.

I half-expected you to respond with dignified honesty and express remorse for the manner in which you have behaved here. There has been a change in your tone as of late – saying that, “I have retracted and apologized for things that I have said,” just doesn't sound like that old familiar Maxim.

So now you are going to confess to your priest. I wish that I could see the look on his face when you tell him that, “I told the väliseestlased that I've retracted and apologized for things that I've said when I'm actually just funnin' 'em and trying to tow 'em around by the dick.”

Oh well. What now Maxim? More of the same?
Maxim.28 Feb 2007 14:20
I think you've done your cause a great deal of damage using the kind of primitive language you have embraced. There are anti-Maxim critics cringing saying; "did he really need to say that?" But as you've pointed out yourself, I don't use appauling language as you do, because an intellectual's cardinal rule is to always be on their best behaviour thought-wise. I really don't see the necessity in me digging up one of my old comments when you've freely conceded that I have changed very much for the better of late. You've basically answered your own question!
Nicely said!28 Feb 2007 14:31
I wish that you would tell us who you are. You deserve a tip of the hat, some flowers, and a steady supply of pirukad from the Hillside Cafe.
M28 Feb 2007 14:35
Why do you bother replying to these troglodytes?

Back to the discussion …
I had no idea that the Bolsheviks were capable of affecting policy outside their own country, let alone St. Petersburg and Moscow, but I still can’t see how a precedence that was set nearly a century ago can be applied to the current situation. Russia is much stronger today and has a much greater economic will to make itself heard in Europe.
A.N.28 Feb 2007 14:43
Are you actually saying that you are an intellectual??
You ARE certifiable!
Maxim.01 Mar 2007 09:37
It's not about affecting policy outside their own country. Russia is a mystery-like me-but it interests people considerably. Russia has always manipulated its near-abroad from a psychological advantage. Who doesn't believe this cannot understand Finland's policy of Finlandization, or why we have fought hopelessly with the psychological enigma of the pronkssõdur. But in 1919 they overcame the psychological trepidation in a way that they can't do today. This is because Russia is the master of the psycho-political race being run today.
Anonymous01 Mar 2007 14:24
This time Maxim, I have to admit that you're absolutely right!
Anonymous01 Mar 2007 15:38
Maxim, would you please come to Toronto next February as the key-note for the Vabariigi aastapäeava aktus?
something's fishy01 Mar 2007 15:48
Readers: Have another look at Maxim's initial posting in this series -- you'll see that it's an old familiar dollop of incoherent Maxi-bluster. Now compare this to his last posting written in conventional English and ask yourself if Maxim could have written it.
Anonymous01 Mar 2007 18:05
It's not about affecting policy outside their own country. Russia is a mystery-like me-but it interests people considerably. Right again Maxim. Until you pointed it out I didn't notice Russia's manipulation of its near-abroad from a psychological advantage. So how could I understand Finland's policy of Finlandization or our hopeless struggle with the psychological enigma of the pronkssõdur? You nailed it on the head with the 1919 psychological trepidation. You are right again!!! They can't do today because devious Russia knows how to coax the cobra back into the basket.
Nicely said!28 Feb 2007 14:52
Maxim, the intellectual (sic.), isn't gonna use any appauling (sic.) language.
Now he's gonna work like hell to steer the topic away from his embarrassing faut pas -- his phony apology.

Maxim. Get a job.
M28 Feb 2007 16:09
Given the intended useage - as written by you: it's 'faux pas,' not 'faut pas.'
Are the 'shift-F7' keys getting a bit worn on your keyboard genius?
a discovery28 Feb 2007 15:04
Usually Maxim is irritating. But if you can read what he says late at night, in a don't give a damn mood after a few too many, I guarantee that he can be as funny as Bozo the Clown.
Maxim.28 Feb 2007 23:36
I think this is the BEST comment of myself I have EVER read at this site! Your brilliance astounds me. Fantastic response-I love it!
Peter06 Mar 2007 08:10
When I saw that 40 comments have been left I thought to myself that there must be another interesting and stimulating discussion going on but much to my disappointment most of what I read were childish insults.
I remember when we had many interesting discussions and even when we did not all agree we still were able to exchange opinions on our community and many of the problems that face us. Now this column has degenerated to such a low level that I no longer bother to participate and wonder if some of the people who write here are drunk or on drugs.
to Peter07 Mar 2007 20:33
I don't think that they are drunk or on drugs but, perhaps, just a little nuts. I cringe every time that Maxim says something outrageous, catches some flak, and bails out with "better luck next time".
I must add that I also cringed when you told us that Hitler was a swell guy, that he didn't kill very many Jews, that the world is run by Freemasons, or Jews, or both, unless they're same, that Canada would have a flourishing Estonian culture if it wasn't for British fascism and so forth.
You and Maxim haven't contributed to a lively intellectual discussion here. For that, look to Puusaag, Mikkiver, Purje and even Peeter Bush on a good day.
You are a painful embarassment to Canada's Estonian community.
Peter08 Mar 2007 08:01
You have just proved what I stated in my comment.
unanimous08 Mar 2007 15:54
OK, Peter. We'll take you seriously, but just this once.
What's so swell about Hitler if he didn't kill very many Jews?
What's so interesting and stimulating about Maxim?
Peter09 Mar 2007 06:59
Are you even Estonian or just a local unemployed communist who checks out various Eastern-European websites looking for politically incorrect opinions?
to Peter09 Mar 2007 15:31
Do you agree with Maxim's statements about us that are perceived to be insults? Do you believe that he has expressed remorse and retracted anything that he has said?
Are you even Estonian?09 Mar 2007 18:30
Pajatame siis eesti keeles [kui seda oskad].
Anonymous10 Mar 2007 15:10
I agree with almost all of the criticism that Maxim and Peter get here. I think most people do because I don't remember anybody saying anything positive about them. They say they want to have an intellectual discussion but what have they ever said that is intellectual. I think Maxim comes here to stir up our emotions. Peter is sneaky. You never know what he is getting at. Its as if he is trying to push our thinking into some direction without us knowing it. So I for one am glad to see them called onto the carpet so they cant get away with anything.
re: Peter11 Mar 2007 07:15
Peter has some beliefs and attitudes that he's ashamed to expose to daylight.
Peter & Maxim...12 Mar 2007 10:52
...wish to have "an interesting and stimulating discussion" -- with the rest of us quietly taking notes.
Sorry, boys. If you wish to speak out in public, you'll have to become accustomed disagreement and criticism.
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