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1The board should be addressing the issue of the studies, you are going to lose credibility and support here if you don't. Just show the studies and get it done with, so that we can move on!
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3The fact that someone is checking out the IP numbers of those making remarks is just Creepy!
As for the studies, some people have seen the reports, but can not comment, as they were forced to sign a "silence" agreement in order to get access.
I have no doubt that the Org's will hire their own consultants to carry out a report that will dispute the Maimets/Saar/Laikve report.
However, Maimets/Saar/Laikve had nothing to gain from their report, whereas, the consultants for the Org's will be getting paid....
I look forward to seeing how the Org's newly hired communications specialist will spin this.
As for the studies, some people have seen the reports, but can not comment, as they were forced to sign a "silence" agreement in order to get access.
I have no doubt that the Org's will hire their own consultants to carry out a report that will dispute the Maimets/Saar/Laikve report.
However, Maimets/Saar/Laikve had nothing to gain from their report, whereas, the consultants for the Org's will be getting paid....
I look forward to seeing how the Org's newly hired communications specialist will spin this.
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9Why, why does one ranter comment using so many different names? Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: shareholder (21:43), 3 professionals (16:36), voter (15:57)
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5It seems that anyone who has asked for the studies has never received or seen them. I do not want to believe that they are hiding something and have been lying to us for many years. Many of us made decisions during the meetings based on what they told us about the estonian house. My question is what do we do now as shareholders if they were lying? What are our options? It saddens me to think that potentially the board has been lying to us for many years. I hope that this is not true, but, they are making it very difficult for me to think otherwise.
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5"lugeja" shoul have the courage to tell us who he/she is. Why ask? We all know that they are professionals. We know off and have lived in their buildings including the Estonian House. Quite shameful !!!
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9Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: shareholder (21:43), 3 professionals (16:36)
One anonymous user (voter aka shareholder aka 3 professionals) asks another anonymous user (lugeja) to identify him/herself. What a soap opera!!!
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0And a third anonymous user find it funny when previous anonymous commentator demands transparency ...
And forth is making a comment about the third. Soon the whole internet will crash.
And forth is making a comment about the third. Soon the whole internet will crash.
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0without a licence it is serious and so is a lawyer without a licence. Can anyone practise engineering without a licence, like Saar appears to?
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12If Toomas Saar is not licenced by the APEO, is he allowed to call himself a Mechanical Engineer?
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13I've never understood why the Esto House doesn't charge for parking, ...as a fundraiser?
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2Lembit Maimets: Professional Engineers of Ontario (PEO) Licence #28645018; Practicing Status: Undeclared; Date of Licensure: July 20, 1956.
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Toomas Saar: **NOT IN PEO DATABASE**
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Toomas Saar: **NOT IN PEO DATABASE**
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14The 3 professionals have repeatedly asked for the professional studies and reports from the EB directors that they claim to have. We would be glad to review them.
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1Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: shareholder (21:43)
Does the Estonian House conform to AODA legislation?
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1The board is always telling us they are transparent....nice words, now show us some action...give us the studies or as suggested give them to the 3 professionals, I trust them!
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1Could the 3 professionals ask the estonian house board for the studies to review? Would you ask them or have you already asked them? We need you to review the studies, we can't trust the board any longer!
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4I refuse to use the term lying. However, I believe that the 4orgs group is very focused on doing everything possible to move ahead with their agenda to build at Madison, for which considerable community money has been used by these organizations. During this process I believe that any reports have been presented with this goal in mind. Had the goal of the group been to revamp and build onto the present House, then I believe that certain aspects (old boilder, roof, etc.) would have been presented possibly in a more positive light (boiler can be scrapped and replaced with more efficient system). It all depends on what you want to achieve.
I support giving access of reports to the three elder gentlemen interviewed in this clip, since they have experience in their fields of expertise and with the Estonian House.I would then like to hear their thoughts afterward.
My fear is that the 4orgs, even if they wished to relent to public pressure to revamp the existing house (or build in a location more convenient to those opposed to the Madison,) are afraid of the backlash for the considerable monies spent on the Madison project to date, e.g. substantial architectural design fees. They may feel to be in the regrettable position of „there’s no turning back now“ in building an EH at Madison.
I have no idea of what will happen next. I feel that a meeting called by the Estonian House is in order in November, since this is when the due diligence process is to be completed. I fear that no such meeting will take place, that the 4orgs will move forward with Madison building plans and the selling of the present Estonian House without consulting the community. Is this the case?
I support giving access of reports to the three elder gentlemen interviewed in this clip, since they have experience in their fields of expertise and with the Estonian House.I would then like to hear their thoughts afterward.
My fear is that the 4orgs, even if they wished to relent to public pressure to revamp the existing house (or build in a location more convenient to those opposed to the Madison,) are afraid of the backlash for the considerable monies spent on the Madison project to date, e.g. substantial architectural design fees. They may feel to be in the regrettable position of „there’s no turning back now“ in building an EH at Madison.
I have no idea of what will happen next. I feel that a meeting called by the Estonian House is in order in November, since this is when the due diligence process is to be completed. I fear that no such meeting will take place, that the 4orgs will move forward with Madison building plans and the selling of the present Estonian House without consulting the community. Is this the case?
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3When I was at the Esto House last evening, I counted the number of cars parked in the back, 63.
There was Estonian School last night and the men's choir was rehearsing as well, bank employees and clients, and most likely others.
Just curious, how would parking work for roughly 60 cars at a Madison facility on a given evening?
There was Estonian School last night and the men's choir was rehearsing as well, bank employees and clients, and most likely others.
Just curious, how would parking work for roughly 60 cars at a Madison facility on a given evening?
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2The current EH should be maintained and am appreciative to the volunteers who are helping to do this while our community still uses it. However, the structural and cosmetic condition of EH should not be confused with the glaring fact that EH is currently being used more by non-Estonian groups and therefore our efforts and money to maintain the if mostly for others!
Our active Estonian organizations use it only for a few hours a week so we just do not need this size of a building anymore.
It's too expensive and impractical to have our small Estonian community split between TWO locations in Central Toronto.
Our active Estonian organizations use it only for a few hours a week so we just do not need this size of a building anymore.
It's too expensive and impractical to have our small Estonian community split between TWO locations in Central Toronto.
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24But, if you think your argument through to its conclusion, then we could ask: if few groups are using the building now, then why would more groups begin to use a brand new building in the future? Why would groups magically appear with a new building? Wouldn’t the rent be expensive there, in order to recoup building costs? Wouldn’t we still be mainly renting to non-Estos?
This begs a second question: then why go through the exhaustive process of getting rid of something you have and then build something extravagantly new on a challenging property that will attract considerably less people in your target group than you are attracting now (I’m thinking Esto seniors, commuters, people with cars needing parking, etc.). Wouldn’t this constitute a make-work project and an ineffective use of energy? There will most likely be years of delays in construction, which means that our community will be displaced for a long, long time.
This begs a second question: then why go through the exhaustive process of getting rid of something you have and then build something extravagantly new on a challenging property that will attract considerably less people in your target group than you are attracting now (I’m thinking Esto seniors, commuters, people with cars needing parking, etc.). Wouldn’t this constitute a make-work project and an ineffective use of energy? There will most likely be years of delays in construction, which means that our community will be displaced for a long, long time.
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6Those non-Estonians are paying for the upkeep of a building that the Estonians can call home - and use. On Tuesday evenings it is full to the brim, literally, on Thursdays is choir (the other 2 halls have yoga and ballroom dancing) and the rifle range is booming and on Saturday is kindergarten. Let alone all of the other parties, lunches, wakes etc. Why is it a problem that non-Estonians pay for the upkeep of 'our' home? I see it as a very good thing! And Esto House has broken even and even made a bit of a profit in the past - with proper management and marketing it can be done!
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1Really we should have MOVE because NON Estonian groups are renting the Estonian house.!!!!!..
I have heard that on Saturdays we do not have enough space when all the activities of children and youth are there. So... going to a smaller venue would mean renting something other than the NEW Esto house...
By Encouraging and Marketing to NON ESTONIANS... we can afford to KEEP the Estonian house running...
The columbus centre, where there is a seniors home for Italians... does NOT mention Italian in there marketing.... and because of that.. the center if fully utilized by all ethnic groups... and has even a dedicated Art Gallery space with a curator...
Thus...... take money and allow us to be able to continue to use the Estonian house... by taking other communities money... THAT is how business works.... This is an amazing location.... for cars and transit and many Caterers would be excited to promote the Estonian House for events... since there are very few venues available as large as our space WITH PARKING
I have heard that on Saturdays we do not have enough space when all the activities of children and youth are there. So... going to a smaller venue would mean renting something other than the NEW Esto house...
By Encouraging and Marketing to NON ESTONIANS... we can afford to KEEP the Estonian house running...
The columbus centre, where there is a seniors home for Italians... does NOT mention Italian in there marketing.... and because of that.. the center if fully utilized by all ethnic groups... and has even a dedicated Art Gallery space with a curator...
Thus...... take money and allow us to be able to continue to use the Estonian house... by taking other communities money... THAT is how business works.... This is an amazing location.... for cars and transit and many Caterers would be excited to promote the Estonian House for events... since there are very few venues available as large as our space WITH PARKING
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3I want to thank the Engineers and Architect for this current insightful assessment of the building. I hope that all the shareholders will read this and understand the real status of the Estonian House. I also thank the Friends of Estonian House for their dedication for keeping the Estonian House as the heart of the Estonian Community.
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5Now, we need to hear from the accountants. How do the numbers add up?
Let's not overlook another imperative: by law, we must build a new Ehatare! The older generation, which financed the construction of Eesti Maja, needs a place for a comfortable retirement among their own kind.
Let's not overlook another imperative: by law, we must build a new Ehatare! The older generation, which financed the construction of Eesti Maja, needs a place for a comfortable retirement among their own kind.
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3Why?
What is the connection... Ehatare has 3 million dollars to find a location.
I heard directly from a Board member that they are NOT actively looking for a new location.. that they will wind down instead of running a place with non-Estonians.
I got the impression that they are just in wind down mode... because the relief committee does not want to run a home for non-Estos... and I guess they feel there are not so many Older Estonians left... so... do not bring up Ehatare... it has no place in this discussion of Esto House.. To me... if Ehatare can operate with Estonians and non-estonians... and can make some profit... they should do it.. so they can donate the funds to a worthy Esto causes. But that is their decisions....
What is the connection... Ehatare has 3 million dollars to find a location.
I heard directly from a Board member that they are NOT actively looking for a new location.. that they will wind down instead of running a place with non-Estonians.
I got the impression that they are just in wind down mode... because the relief committee does not want to run a home for non-Estos... and I guess they feel there are not so many Older Estonians left... so... do not bring up Ehatare... it has no place in this discussion of Esto House.. To me... if Ehatare can operate with Estonians and non-estonians... and can make some profit... they should do it.. so they can donate the funds to a worthy Esto causes. But that is their decisions....
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18Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Wow.. move since NON Esto's! (09:15)
Does this mean that Meiusi and his mob scored their final victory?
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